PM support available?

[michelmvd]

To Maurice,

I can confirm after checking with several pilots (european flights - longhaul flights) and looking more in depth in the SOP's that mostly this days the STAR procedure is set in the CDU during the flight preparation at the gate, as this is also mentioned in the companyflightplan. When the approach procedures are set by pilot flying the settings are rechecked. This is usually about 30 minutes before descend just before the Approach briefing is done. Due to very reliable weather information and recommanded landingrunways most of the time the information is accurate. By setting the STAR/landing RWY during flightpreparation at the gate, it can reduce workload later, but at any time during the flight or at the approach preparation the settings in the CDU must be able to change - selecting other RWY's, other STAR procedures or a combination of that in flight.

Me too I'm very surprised to hear everytime from PM that the problem is with Navigraph - for the same reasons as you, but of course we don't know how PM is programming it programs.

B. Rgds
Michel

[Jackpilot]

Trevor said

As promised, I have seen no bugs with the following builds (old Navdata)

MCP Build #410
PFD/ND/EICAS Build #436
PMSYSTEMS Build #107
PM FMC Build#372


Hi Trevor
Could you upload them so that we can access it?
Cheers
Jack

[michelmvd]

Hi Trevor,
Thanks for sharing these builds with us. It's good to know we can rely on those builds when we have to do a stable flight or demo of the cockpit.
What NAVDATA are you using with them ?

I also suppose a lot of new functionality will be missing, as the present beta builds are CDU391ee, MCP421 and GC451a.

The "stable" builds according the webpage updates are
CDU 390, MCP420, GC450.

I therefore think it's very misleading when some people say they don't have problems with the software, when they still are using these very old builds. It looks to me the present builds in the update page should at least do it. (I don't talk about intermediate builds in the sub-page) It's like comparing apples with pears. The CDU372 build came out 13 feb 2006 and the MCP 410 on 16 SEP2006, so long before the introduction of the new navdata by Navigraph, due to the shutdown of the DAFIF services.


BRgds
Michel

[Bob Reed]

Hi Trevor,
Thanks for sharing these builds with us. It's good to know we can rely on those builds when we have to do a stable flight or demo of the cockpit.
What NAVDATA are you using with them ?

I also suppose a lot of new functionality will be missing, as the present beta builds are CDU391ee, MCP421 and GC451a.

The "stable" builds according the webpage updates are
CDU 390, MCP420, GC450.

I therefore think it's very misleading when some people say they don't have problems with the software, when they still are using these very old builds. It looks to me the present builds in the update page should at least do it. (I don't talk about intermediate builds in the sub-page) It's like comparing apples with pears. The CDU372 build came out 13 feb 2006 and the MCP 410 on 16 SEP2006, so long before the introduction of the new navdata by Navigraph, due to the shutdown of the DAFIF services.


BRgds
Michel

This has been stated from the begging, we are running older builds and are stable. My builds are not as old as Trevor's but they are at least 6 months old..... We are not comparing anything to anything just stating fact. We fly on a regular bases and these builds seem stable.

Bob Reed

[BillTee]

Hi Guys,

Time for me to jump in again.

I have been using the same builds as Michelmvd with good results, I DONOT use NavData; I use the old data that Enrico used to supply.

I have good results with my system and do I understand your frustration.

Good luck with all these issues,

Bill T.

[Trevor Hale]

My FMC Is in the Download directory Under PM. It is including the navdata I am using. I am unaware what navdata I am using. Like Bob said. I am only reporting that I have no issues with my builds.

The fmc is the main cause of your dilemmas. Download it and try it with your MCP builds.

Trev

[michelmvd]

Hi Bob, Trevor,

Thanks a lot for your information and help. I certainly appreciate it. The big problem here is that I'm using my B744 cockpit project, to simulate as much as possible real life B744 -commercial flights - operating in a online IVAO enviroment.
To do that I use upto date navigation charts, approach plates, real life flightplanning, etc. So I also need up to date NAVDATA, as all items must be in sync.
When you use real life up to date flightplanning sources, your navdata in the aircraft system also must be up to date otherwise it is impossible to enter the routes. In Europe airways system are changing a lot and a one year old data is simply not useable anymore.
Also in the more recent PM builds a lot has been added to cover B744 functionality. So I hope you understand a little bit my frustration.
The main purpose of my hobby is NOT building a cockpit, but FLYING it in the most realistic way. For me the cockpit itself is just a tool to achieve my goal.

In other words, if I would be a Oil Sheik , I would buy a multi dollar Level-d sim
B. rgds
Michel

[Peter Dowson]

My FMC Is in the Download directory Under PM. It is including the navdata I am using. I am unaware what navdata I am using. Like Bob said. I am only reporting that I have no issues with my builds.

Hi Trevor,

I am trying to decide whether some autothrottle/VNAV control problems I have with PM on FSX are due to FSX models, FSUIPC/SimConnect, or PM. To this end I have been trying different older builds of PM too, but I am still undecided where the problems lay and so how to fix them.

Of the releases you say you are using successfully, I do have GC436 and CDU372, but I don't appear to have MCP410. I believe the MCP actions are crucial to my investigations, so could you please email me a copy of this (the EXE and DLL)? petedowson@btconnect.com

Thank you very much.

Best Regards

Pete

[NicD]

Michel - you put that very well, and expressed exactly how I feel about it. I didn't build the sim to just be a "she'll be right" hobby ... and just lately I've had a number of commercial pilots flying the sim, and there are more to use it this week. They, and I, require a level or realism that is achievable, or at least *should* be achievable with PM. Old Navdata just doesn't cut it on VATSIM either.

[Trevor Hale]

Hi Trevor,

I am trying to decide whether some autothrottle/VNAV control problems I have with PM on FSX are due to FSX models, FSUIPC/SimConnect, or PM. To this end I have been trying different older builds of PM too, but I am still undecided where the problems lay and so how to fix them.

Of the releases you say you are using successfully, I do have GC436 and CDU372, but I don't appear to have MCP410. I believe the MCP actions are crucial to my investigations, so could you please email me a copy of this (the EXE and DLL)? petedowson@btconnect.com

Thank you very much.

Best Regards

Pete

Pete, I would be more then happy to send them. As soon as I get Home from work tonight I will forward the MCP build to your attention.

Best regards..


Trev