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    WARNING - Simmotion or Cockpit in Motion

    Hello all

    I don't do this lightly but I must post a warning of my experiences over nearly 2 years with the purchase of a 3 axis motion base from Cockpit in Motion of the Netherlands, run by Mr Kay Hunze. As you can imagine this cost quite a lot of money.

    The product was very, very late in arriving and then would not work. I was returned to Hunze/CIM to be rebuilt and they have had it for nearly 5 months with only lame excuses. Once they received my money their communication was dreadful...they refuse to talk on the phone and only email after repeated messages.

    In the meanwhile CIM has morphed in Simmotion and I also note another company called MSESimulation whose products bear an uncanny resemblance to Simmotions....Mr Hunze denied any connection but I found out the website was registered in his name! So I will let you draw your own conclusions.

    I am in touch with another CIM/Simmotion customer who has also paid for a motion base a long time ago and received nothing but excuses.

    Please, please be very careful with anything to do with Cockpit in Motion, Simmotion (and possibly MSESimulation) and Mr Kay Hunze.

    he has taken my money and now my property (my returned base) and have nothing to show for it. If you are in any doubt about dealing with these companies or individuals please get in touch.

    Please do not be so trusting as I was as unfortunately there are people out there who make promises they can't deliver and who should not be in business. Do not trust Mr Hunze with 1c of your money!

    Please spread the word on these guys to protect others from being conned.

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    Thanks for the warning and hope you get your money back!

    Regards,

    Roberto

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    Thanks Roberto, shortly after making this post I heard from Mt Hunze...what a coincidence! He claims they have repaired my motion base and it works but now he wants to go back on his word to ship it back to me at his expense and charge me instead (I paid to ship it to him)....he claims this is because I contacted the Dutch police....what does he expect after 5 months of being ignored. Shame on you Hunze!

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    Get a full refund my friend.... You don't want it he won;t ship it at his expense... Get a refund and a Lawyer....

    Regards,

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    The flight sim world is a small community and most of us class this as home ... Hes playing a dangerous game , customers are hard to find in such an economic climate he should do the right thing before the company name is worthless...

    Good Luck

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    You should also remind him that if he agreed to ship it back to you at his expense then it was an agreement. Current legal procedings should not affect this. If he continues with such talk I would contact the Dutch police again.

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    CIM or Cockpit in Motion has been declared bankrupt on 10-06-2008

    Probably after a couple of dutch companies filed a claim after having experienced the same.

    the owners from CIM are hopping from one BV (dutch for Ltd.) to another.

    more information about the bankrupcy can be found here:

    http://www.curatoren.nl/fo/verslag_f...l.php?id=97039

    Its in dutch. Its a register that keeps all the bankrupcies in the netherlands in file.

    Curator (i dont know it its called the same in english, the person that handles the bankrupcy)
    mr. B.R. Kleij
    Haulussy The Law Company
    www.advocaten.org

    Office contacts.
    Postbus 21130
    3001 AC ROTTERDAM
    010-4148614

    Rechter-commissaris (judge who declared bankrupcy)
    mr. S.S. van Nijen

    Rechtbank (court that is taking care of the bankrupcy)
    Rechtbank Rotterdam
    Postbus 50950
    3007 BL Rotterdam
    010-2972232


    Altough you probably thought CIM was in the town Drachten, according to the chamber of commerce the adress is/was:
    COCKPIT IN MOTION B.V.
    Maaskade 78 1 hoog,
    3071ND, Rotterdam

    registration number at the chamber of commerce:
    KvK-number: 01110644

    a claim can be filed here:
    http://www.curatoren.nl/fo/vord_form.php?id=97039

    unfortunately again in dutch.

    I strongly suggest you contact the curator Mr. B.R. Kleij at the above mentioned law firm to file a claim.

    This is not the first time this happens and probably not the last time.

    Good Luck.



    Stef

    (all this information is on personal title. Check the links and the law firm for more details)



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    This is why im pretty much put off buying anything from abroad because i just cant trust these type of people and more and more seem to like it, like me i try to buy local or from the UK atleast, atleast if he didnt want to send it at his expense then id blimmin drive down there and get it myself, i was going to say that it would prob be cheaper to hire a van a pick it up yourself and atleast know that your getting it, but then just realised your half way round the world so might be quite tricky!

    You really do need a solicitor now or someone in the legal department....

    Any solicitors / lawyers in mycockpit.org?


    I feel sorry for ya pal, i know what its like to be ripped off big time!

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    I would ask for a full re-fund... Don't care if they are in bankrupcy... You won;t have support it might get damaged during shipping and you'll be right where you started!

    Regards,

    Roberto

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    Quote Originally Posted by dodiano View Post
    I would ask for a full re-fund... Don't care if they are in bankrupcy...
    unfortunately thats not how it works....the platform is purchased from CIM not from mr. Hunze. No matter if he is the owner or the manager or whatever.

    So the claim lies legally with CIM.
    Hunze is not financially responsible as a manager of CIM unless fraud/misbehaviour can be prooven. Then its possible to put a claim on his private accounts.

    More importantly here, is that its possible that the platform might be in the inventory of the bankrupcy. thus it might be liquidated to pay of debts !

    Another possibility is that the curator doesnt even know of the existance of the platform. I think mr. Hunze 'forgot' to tell Mark he went bankrupt when he charged another amount of money to ship the platform back. Appearently this just happened now ! Bit weird since CIM is legally bankrupt.
    I think we have a possible case of fraud here, if all this turns out true.

    Of course we are speculating now....

    I think its most important that Mark files a claim with the curator Mr. Kleij via the law firm i mentioned above.

    Stef



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