Navigraph airac cycle 0710

[Jan Pemöller]

OK! I found out:

- when entering the waypoint on the LEGS page FIX by FIX manualy no problmes with STAR´s (changing)

but when using the Airway.FIX feature on the RTE page, a problem is always with the waypoints on the second page (2/2) when changing a STAR.

The problem with the hdg (turning 180 degrees) before executing still excist.

If someone confirm this, I will report it to PM.

Thanks
Jan

[michelmvd]

Well I'm in Luxembourg now so I can't check that route, but I see you are executing after every step. This you normally don't have to do.
Complete the route completely without excuting, then activate the route - eventually checking it via plan mode, and then execute it.
B. Rgds
Michel

[ralmav]

I did it exactly as Jan described.
Same happens to me ...it clears all waypoints after MASEK.
I tried it with different routes, it´s always the same:
it clears all the waypoints after the first entry on the second page (RTE)
when you select a STAR.
Regards
Ralf

[Daveanne]

The correct way to enter the route is to enter the start Location and then the destination in the RTE page (no need to execute yet).

Then go to DEPP/ARR and click in DEPP, which will give you a list of SID's, choose the one you want, then choose DEPP/ARR again and choose ARR, which will give you a choice of STAR's, choose the one you want (still no need to execute yet)

Then go back to RTE and fill in all the way points and remove any Discontinued notifications with the DELETE command, only when you are happy with the route, then Activate and Excecute.

At this point the journey can be viewed in the LEGS page, providing the CTR switch is on PLN, using the STEP button.

If items dissapear from the route at any time then re-input them in the RTE page, then ACTIVATE and EXECUTE again.

Daveanne

[Jan Pemöller]

Thanks,

have you tried with the PM CDU ?
When I do it like you discribe, I get not the RTE legs between DEP and APP ...
My way of entering the data is not the real one but the best for PM CDU.
Pls tell me if you have success with your way in PM software.

Best regards
Jan

[Daveanne]

Jan, sorry I am not using PM, so my method is going to be different to yours.

However, being PM they should have programmed the software to act like a real one, thats the whole point of PM is to realisticaly mimic a real 737/747 or whatever you are flying?

The method I gave was taught me by a 737 800 1st officer.....?

Daveanne

[Jan Pemöller]

OK thanks,

that clears everything. The PM CDU is a bit away from the real one.
I hope we will get the annunced "major updates" soon:

19/08/07 Software Updates After several weeks of no updates (vacation, several trips) an new cycle of re-compiled newer builds has been uploaded to www.projectmagenta.com/latest.html
We will also be looking at the navdata cycle issues.

Several major updates will be released in the next couple of weeks.

Best regards
Jan

[marco]

Hello Jan and Daveanne,

I'm using PM CDU a long time ago and I don't agree with the procedure discribed by Daveanne to introduce the route on a CDU.
The really introducing of a route in the CDU is :
ICAO Code Airport Dep and ICAO Code Airport Arrival : that's OK
Then you introduce all the route in the CDU (left side the airways and right side the waypoints).
When you receive your clearance IFR then you introduce the active rwy and the SID.
For the arrival, the same method to introduce, first of all, the active rwy and then the STAR.
I've flown a lot of hours in a real B737 cockpit (not as a pilot but well as a privileged passager ) and this procedure was always followed by the Captain and his first officer !!

Hope that'll help you.

PS : It remains always a problem to introduce correctly the arrival and his STAR (I've the same problem as Ralf : "it clears all the waypoints after the first entry on the second page (RTE) when you select a STAR" but NOT always !!) Very strange.

Marco

[767300]

Marco I agree, An aircraft could be in the middle of a pushback and the wind changes thus the clearance. So changing the SID/Star after the route is exec should not be a problem. A STAR for the expected landing runway based on the ATIS at departure for the destination would normally be entered to help with fuel and weight predictions. Only when the crew knows the exact landing runway would they enter the actual STAR or setup the extended centerline etc if on vectors.

I have the CDU/MCP end of my setup offline as Im concentrating on the MIP hardware at the moment, is this a Boeing only issue or are the Airbus and other types having problems.

Regards

James

[Daveanne]

I agree with all of you, James, Marco.

But in FS you already know where you are going to take off from and land at, on most flights its very rare that the landing runway and takeoff runway change on you mid flight.

Yes all you chaps running in-flight weather updates on the internet etc will argue that, but I cant simulate that at present.

If the DEPP and ARR runways are put into the situation and Clearance delivery changes then mearly replace the DEPP/ARR with the correct ones and "update/activate", the basis of this dicussion was that PM doesn't mimic the real ones when entering the flight details?

Bets of luck with it all and happy landings

Daveanne