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Well, received this in the mail today.
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Back to the drawing board and the man cave...
Show-off :D.
"So It Begins"...
Well Simon, I know you have a completed real pedestal and photos are already floating around the mycockpit forum so I thought I would follow suit :)Quote:
Originally Posted by sstusek
Excellent purchase! Not something you see everyday. The fuel panel will be easy to rewire, however im unsure how airbus mechanise their throttles, I assume they are similar to the boeing design. Looks like you will either have to rework the design and cut the bottom linkages out, or dig a large whole in your floor!
Keep us updated...
Hi Geremy, don't think my neighbors, strata, or the spouse would enjoy a hole in the floor :) We will try building a platform in the future stage. I would like to maintain the throttle as it is with minimum hacking and restructuring -- there are wires that run to the front of the throttle into a cannon plug -- I am assuming this is for the backlighting and ATHR/disconnect -- do you know anywhere that sells aviation plugs? I do not want to start cutting wires!Quote:
Originally Posted by Geremy Britton
Here is a short video of the throttle levers in action --
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UMDurnCyuzA
Finding an exact match for the number and lineup of pins will be difficult. Is the plug a male or female connector?
They are male plug connectors, will most probably go with Dupoint connectors as Simon has recommended.Quote:
Originally Posted by Geremy Britton
I have opened up the Throttle Control Unit -- potentiometers (6 for each lever); each pot seems to have 4 wires -- does anyone have a clue why this may be the case? There is a transducer also next to the pot mechanism
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Hi,
i cant really say anything about the throttle as mine is stored a few hundred miles away at the moment but experience in converting Original Panels for the sim tells me that cutting wires makes it all way easier. Some switches, poti or Encoder of the original one have sometimes 15-20 wires, but all you need is maybe three of them. Some of them are e.g. connectors between two Potis or connectors to resistors etc - which is apparently needed in the real plane but not in the sim. And if you try to connect it via the Original Plug, it might not work.
For the poti you will most probably only need 3 wires - which will be easy in that case to find out and maybe only 1-2 potis in total. But this is just guessing. E.g. the encoder in the Radio Panel has 6 wires but works perfectly with only 5 connected. Although the wiring is somewhat different to the normal ones. It is sometimes trying trying trying;)
As soon as you find out which cable you need, cut the other ones or at least put them together and fix them somewhere so that you can keep a clean overview.
And most important....write down which cables connect which part, like for a korry what is the Switch, what the Upper/lower lights. Makes it easier for new projects and saves a lot of time if a cable sneaks out of its Position. Because so far i have not found a wiring diagramm of any real part unfortunately.
All the best and good luck for the throttle....and patience;)
I'll pick up my throttle in a few weeks when i have the space again then i can give you some more Information or help out if you still need it.
BR Volker
Hi Volker, yes wiring to the original wires is easier but I would cringe if I had to cut them. Still some experimenting to do here, but it looks like they wire directly to the canon plugs. I will do some more testing with a multimeter to see if the pots can be connected this way.
Hi,
There is no need to cut wires. You have two resolvers and six pots for each engine. Plugs C and D are resolver plugs/pins. Plugs A and B are potentiometer plugs/pins. You only need one pot so you can try plug A pins B,J as terminals and A as wiper.
Regards,
Simon
Cheers Simon, will try. :cool:
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Looking great Ben...
Good luck on your conversion and keep us update. ;-)
Looking great and good to know that it works without cutting them :)
Good luck and have fun with it. Nothing else is as good as a real throttle of all the parts in the sim.
Throttle lever pot has been wired for further testing -- no wires were cut. Thank you Simon!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aHtUwVlOiuU
wow you made it !! Great Job Ben ...Make sure the noise from the TQ dont wake up your wife :roll:
Lol, I think it will take me awhile to figure out SIOC and how to interface it with FMGS, so she can count her blessings :)
Great Work! :) :)
Back light of the throttle and trim is now complete -- however strangely enough only the bottom half lights up.
Not too sure if the top bulbs are all blown -- still trying to determine if there is additional wiring required.
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Hi,
I am sure lamps are out, the throttle light plate uses 12 miniature lamps T1 (ms24367-715) 5V, 0.115A. You can measure the current at 5V and with anything less than 1.38A you can assume how many lamps are out... and then soldering follows!
Regards,
Simon
Thanks Simon, what would we do without you. You are the A320 bible - will purchase some bulbs and try to rewire!
Hallo Guys,
Yesterday i got also my own original Pedestal with Throttle and Gearextension. A really great heavy metal feeling. Love it! ;)
Unfortunately, the original potentiometer and motor for Trim Wheels were removed. So i have to interfaced by my own...
I find two pins on a connector who are for the bulbs in the middle of the Throttle, knows someone the right pins which are for the rest of the lamps and perhaps has someone an idea how I can the Throttle best interface?
Here are some pictures and a Video ;)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O8BZvWw9qC8
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Hi Tcane -- first of all, congratulations with the throttle purchase; I think we are all on the same page -- trying to figure out how to interface the TQ with FMGS/Flight Simulator, and fixing her up :)
It looks like all the bulbs on your TQ may be intact and is useful; It looks like I have to solder in at least half of the bulbs on mine. It is great you also have the telephone module included.
I have attached a picture (annotated by Simon) which may be helpful in determining how to wire up the TQ. There are schematics which I hope to put up on the website soon.
It looks like the outer protective clear layer of ?paint is peeling from the trim of the TQ, much like mine -- have you decided if you are going to leave it as it is -- or remove it?
Regards
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Hey Omni,
First, A Big thank you for your picture with the right wiring. It will helps me very much!
All Bulbs are not intact, the left yellow reverse does´t work, but i think i can fix this more easier as interfacing the Throttle and the Trimwheel. ;)
Yeah right, the outer protective layer seems to peeling from the trim. It looks not so nice and i think that I covers the lettering with the backlight and made a new paintshop with the right color. That will be a hard work, but I hope it's worth it. By the way: Someone knows the right color? :)
I´m a little bit surprised because the Scala for Thrimwheellettering on the left and right side are not backlighted! But i see a photo of an original Throttle there was it. Anybody an idea what is here wrong?
Here is a picture what i mean: http://www.mycockpit.org/forums/atta...id=11586&stc=1
Regards
Florian
Ok, so i find out that behind the Trimwheel Scala there is a small plate with bulbs. I shone with a flashlight through the gap.
Currently I don´t know if the bulbs are broken or is there a broken line. Does anyone know how to get behind the cover and the bulbs without much workload? I can not imagine that this is so complicated, because for maintenance, but i did´t find the right way until now?
Cheers and thank you for your help
Florian
Hi Florian, only the forward section of the trim wheels are backlit. Here is a shot of my throttle -On the trimscales itself it should be fully lit ("TOGA" to "REV" -- CL to TOGA bulbs are blown).
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Hi Omni,
Ok, but my complete Trimindicator (Number UP/Down etc.) doesn´t work. Did you know, how can i open it for a repair? And is the same wire/line from the Lever-Scala for the Trim-Scala?
Hi Tcane,
It looks like we have another confirmed case of OEM parts infection :)
I see that Ben has already answered most of your questions including wire picture. Unfortunately I can't give you exact pin-out as my pedestal came without these cannon connectors but if you examine the picture figuring out the pins shouldn't be that difficult unless all the bulbs are burnt! Backlight pins for throttle and trim scales are in the central connector 2139VC. There are 10 pins 2 for throttle scale, 2 for left trim, 2 for right trim and 4 for gravity gear handle panel at the back (2 for left and 2 for right panel).
As you can see L/R trim scales have separate pins/wires. Each trim scale wheel has a bulb prism inside that illuminates the trim scale from about full rev to CL.
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If you want to change a trim bulbs you will have to remove trim wheels and trim scale wheels to get to bulb prisms. Happy pin hunting... actually I would be interested in correct pinout when you find it.
Cheers,
Simon
Cheers for the pictures Simon.
Here are are mine for the trim backlight and auto thrust disconnect -
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Shots of the middle canon plug may not be too clear. Here is the wiring for the trim scale and trim wheel backlight only. As you can see they share a ground.
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Truly excellent work, well done! I come across real panels and parts all the time, if only I had the expertise, knowledge and time to be able to bring some of them to life :(
Thank you Simon for your explain and photos! Great shoots! ;)
I have already expanded the connectors, because i didn´t need it and new wiring is for me a little bit easier then. On the middle connector was three white wires and 4 blue wires. The blue wires are for the gravity Gear handle. The three white wires had one a smaller diameter as the other two. When i connect one big wire to the + the Leverscala works, the other wire does´t work. I think thats the wire for the two Trimwheels Scala. If I followed the cable, there is a current distributor. Now there are two possibilities. First: The wire for the Trimwheel Scala is broke. Second: All the bulbs in the Scala are damaged and need a change.
For the ATH/DISC i had the same wiring diagram like Omni.
But know a question about possibility. I can not believe, that you have to remove all the trim wheel parts to maintenance only the bulbs. That´s a really heavy workload in contra to the Lever Scala. Can it be that just the Lever is only removed? I had seen a picture where you can see a type of VGA port, where the Lever was. If not, which is the right tool to remove the trim wheel?
I try it with a 12 Socket for ratchet. I hope thats the right name in english ;) And of course, sorry for my bad english. :D
Cheers Florian
Hi...omni
would you give info for dimensions of gravity gear extn handle
kind hard to find it on market :D
thanks
You're in luck, there is a gravity gear extn handle for sale (without the panels) if you are interested.Quote:
Originally Posted by jeddmc
Hi Florian,
You are right, it is possible to remove upper part of throttle control lever and cover with throttle light scale but I am almost sure that won't give you enough space to remove trim light prisms! In order to get to the bulbs you have to unscrew and remove prisms completely. Therefore I think it is necessary to remove both pitch trim and scale wheels.
Cheers,
Simon
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Originally Posted by tcane
Hi All,
Yes Simon, you are right, too!
It was much easier to remove the Trim-Wheel and Scala. Can´t open the Screws of the lever, they were trapped.
2 Bulbs was damaged, but the strangest thing was the connection one of this prism. Ground and + was the Same wire! Very strange and i think there was something wrong. I cut all the wires and made a new one... Now all works fine and by the way i can clean up the Toothwheels and the Inside of the Lever with a little bit WD40. ;)
Now i have to look, what is the easiest way to interface the lever and motorize the Trimwheel.
Some pictures from inside:
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Very interesting pictures Tcane! I have yet to take apart my trim wheels so your pictures will be helpful.
Have you decided if you will repaint the trim wheels with the new black and white design? I would also like to do so, but do not know the measurements.
I would also like to hear your ideas on how you will attach a motor to the trim wheel.
Hi all
I have also an real Throttle at home. The use the Throttle I have mounted a wooden shaft to the turn point in the box below. Then I put a poti in. You have to cut some parts away to make it.
For the trimwheel have some test, but nothing that works good for me. So it is still unter construction.
If desired I can later make some picture.
Had a good look at one of the Airbus eng panel annunciators --
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