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Transavia 737-700 Cockpit
Hi all,
Although I am not completely new here (my intro post is HERE!)I decided that now that I finally have my butt in gear I should start a thread in this section of the site. I have been updating my progress on different fora (A Dutch scale modelling forum and A South African Aviation Forum ) and I think it would be better to have one central thread, so here we go .......
I'll continue this post with the opening post on the above mentioned SA forum and we'll take it from there:
A few pics of our progress:
http://www.spring-air.com/737_project/phase1.jpg
http://www.spring-air.com/737_project/flaps1.jpg
http://www.spring-air.com/737_project/gear1.jpg
http://www.spring-air.com/737_project/leds1.jpg
http://www.spring-air.com/737_project/usboutputs1.jpg
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Tinned some cables, I decided to use UTP because of the bundles of 8 wires in pairs.
http://www.spring-air.com/737_project/wire1.jpg
... an hour later, complete with LEDS.
http://www.spring-air.com/737_project/wire2.jpg
LEDS pushed through from behind....
http://www.spring-air.com/737_project/gearup.jpg
... and now with the annunciators in place, ... only on 4.5v now, they should burn a little brighter when they are finally fitted
http://www.spring-air.com/737_project/gearup1.jpg
.... to be continued ....
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and the following evening.......
I must admit the FS weekend gave me a major kick under the butt!!
Gear lever, wired and tested!
http://www.spring-air.com/737_project/lg-1.jpg
First Officers panel is wired ....
http://www.spring-air.com/737_project/fodu-1.jpg
I started to make some wire harnesses, here is the harness for the 4 annunciators on the Autobrakes panel, AUTOBRAKE DISARM, ANTISKID INOP, LE FLAPS TRANSIT, all of those amber and LE FLAPS EXTEND (green).
http://www.spring-air.com/737_project/harness1.jpg
Here is the green LED for the LE FLAPS TRANSIT annunciator:
http://www.spring-air.com/737_project/annun-2.jpg
.... with the lights out....
http://www.spring-air.com/737_project/annun-3.jpg
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Update: 15 November 2009
It has been a very productive weekend, with a predominantly wet, chilly weekend in Holland (why did I ever come here.... :) ) I spent most of saturday evening soldering resisters onto some circuit board. A kind of breakout board I guess:
Look what the postman brought on Friday: (I think the market value of Conrad has gone straight up since I got into this hobby!!!, Note the moral support of my good mate, The Famous Grouse).
http://www.spring-air.com/737_projec...omponents1.jpg
....my first breakout board, .. to be used with the LED's for the overhead.....
http://www.spring-air.com/737_projec.../breakout1.jpg
I had forgotten how much I hated soldering, .... but I seem to be getting the hang of it again...... dreading putting the OpenCockpits stuff together though , .. I might get a new soldering iron before I attempt those cards.
After the breakout board I lost the urge to build and went for a quick flip from EDDS to EDDN. I like hie project magenta stuff, but as soon as the MIP stand is built (planning = next week) I am going to reinstall all my fs pc's and go the FlightDeckSolutions way. I really liked what I saw last year and again, last weekend in Lelystad. Bart was happy to answer any questions and the price tag is really a lot more appealing to me than PM.
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Great work capetonian and welcome to mycockpit!
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Sunday
Today I had a brain fart, ... (actually I blame it wholly on Ian Sisson and Mark & Dave with that lovely little piece of kit they had in Lelystad)(Guys, I was the large South African bloke with the Springbok Jacket on!!, great meeting you all). I need an overhead one day, .. and although it's not at the top of the priority list, why not just make a smaller one, just like Mark & Dav's box, that way I can connect all my switches to my OpenCockpits cards and play around with that stuff too. It also means that I can make wiring harnesses for the Annunciators for each individual panel.
So off we went..... a quick image of an overhead, run it through poster razor and zip off to the office to copy it on the color copier. Once home, stick the 4 A4 sheets together, stick the whole thing onto a piece of 3mm Plexiglas and drill out all the annunciator and switch holes.
4 hours later I had a mini overhead with 36 odd switches and a load of small holes. I drilled all the switch holes with a 6,mm bit and the LED holes with a 5mm bit. I ran out of switches half way but bought a lot of 50 new ones on Ebay for U$20, they should be here in the course of the week and then I can put the missing switched in the right place.
I know that the LED and switch holes have not been perfectly measured out but you know, this is a test rig, a quick and dirty project to fill a Sunday Afternoon. Oh, here, a few pics before you all lose interest:
Ai but she looks really nice! (now just imagine that pronounced in a native South African Accent :) )
http://www.spring-air.com/737_projec.../overhead3.jpg
From the side....
http://www.spring-air.com/737_projec.../overhead2.jpg
...the back.....
http://www.spring-air.com/737_projec.../overhead4.jpg
...I could not resist, .. quickly hooked up a led for the pic:
http://www.spring-air.com/737_projec...oundpower1.jpg
I drew out the shapes for a base and two sides of the Overhead mounting stand, I'll cut them out tomorrow and build the stand.
..the sides....
http://www.spring-air.com/737_project/151109/stand1.jpg
...the base.....
http://www.spring-air.com/737_project/151109/stand2.jpg
Then came the problem , ... I had nothing to do after dinner, .. I put on a DVD (Airline USA with a load of South West 737's) and pulled a piece of cable out of the shed. I took this piece of cable home with me after the KPN put a whole bunch of ISDN lines into our datacenter about 9 years ago (previous employer was an ISP). This was the piece of cable that was pulled up into the building and then cut off. I saw it lying on a pile of rubbish and, being the hoarder that I am, ... I grabbed it and took it home. As a kid in SA we used to play with this wire, it was the original Scooby Doo and really, the things we made out of it, . little did I know that about 30 years later I'd be using similar wire to build a 737 cockpit!!!
The 2,2m bit of cable, straight from the shed:
http://www.spring-air.com/737_project/151109/cable1.jpg
... 35 seconds and one sharp knife later....
http://www.spring-air.com/737_project/151109/cable2.jpg
I took some of the cable and cut it into smaller 35cm sections, these will do fine for the overhead switches....
http://www.spring-air.com/737_project/151109/cable3.jpg
...now off to bed I guess... :)
Ohyes, .. Mark & Dave, if you read this, .. please put me on your list, if you guys go commercial with that lovely little power switching thingie than I WANT ONE!!!! ( Mark and Ian , thanks for explaining it to me in language that I could understand :)
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Nice, someone's been busy. Great work and motivation. Keep us on the loop and don't forget the pics ;).
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Thanks for following my build,
Monday, 16 November 2009
Today only a small but vital update.
I zipped out to the shed and chopped up a piece of 8mm MDF to make a QaD (Quick and Dirty) stand for my QaD test overhead. Since the switches are all small I think I will leave them in this 'overhead' after wards and use it as a test overhead if I need to test stuff of if I want to help someone else test stuff, it's nice and portable :)
Anyway, too much text and no pictures........ so here we go:
The frame .....
http://www.spring-air.com/737_projec...09/ohtest1.jpg
... panel just slides in for easy access ....
http://www.spring-air.com/737_projec...09/ohtest2.jpg
.... and there we go , .... lets get soldering!!
http://www.spring-air.com/737_projec...09/ohtest3.jpg
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COOL8-)
http://www.mycockpit.org/photopost/d...ure_010_2_.jpg
Thats how I did my overhead. You are doing a great job. You have inspired me to start wirering my overhead. But unlike you I don't know much about wireing.
Do you think this board would be worth checking out.
http://desktopaviator3.tripod.com/In...2120/index.htm . I'm not a advertizer for this site. I 'm just would like your opinion.
Cheers
Mike
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Hi,
Well you make me sound like a wiring expert but I am far from that, .... I really am just plodding along trying new stuff as I go. As far as the wiring is concerned I use UTP cable, there are 4 twisted pairs of wire in each piece of UTP, that means I have one ground/common wire and 7 things I can connect. I use this approach with LEDS. One common ground for the positives and then eacj of the other 7 wires can be used with the opencocpits card outputs.
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Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!!!!!
http://www.spring-air.com/737_project/211109/cpt1.jpg
It's all just lying flat on top of the monitor.... just to see what it looks like, .. and Ei'konna, . she looks like magic!!!!!
@Radar. I have not tried the keypress card but from what I have seen/read I prefer Leo Bodners card (I have one here and need to buy another two). Each card is good for 8 analogue inputs and 36 switches. (6x6 contacts = 36 different switches).
The OpenCockpits Master card can handle 71 inputs AND it has outputs for leds or displays.
I am still dreading starting with SIOC and I can see myself screwing it up .... but that's why we have a forum like this, ... imagine trying to build on of these things 20 years ago , .. even if we had the hardware that we have now, .... we'd be totally lost without fora like MyCockpit.org and other users groups!!
God bless the Internet ....and Mr Boeing :)
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Is UTP cable the same as ethernet cable (cat5 ?)
Been following this photo post, You are making it look sooo easy ;)
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Hi, Glad my thread has some followers :)
Yes, UTP cable is Network cable, you can get CAT5, CAT6 etc , ...
Ha, .. everybody else makes it look so easy, ... really you should hear me swearing when things don't work the way I want them too :) ... it's a totally new language.........
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Steve A
Is UTP cable the same as ethernet cable (cat5 ?)
Been following this photo post, You are making it look sooo easy ;)
UTP = Unshielded Twisted Pair.
Cat3, Cat 5, Cat 5e and Cat6 are all types of UTP cable.
see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twisted_pair
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Thanks for that additional info wingnut!
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Seeing that panel last night, .. all lit up like that really got me going today, .... I did a lot of solder work and some 'admin' but than I got down to the practical side of things....
Some screws to hold components on to the MI(P:
http://www.spring-air.com/737_projec...09/screws1.jpg
...and a bit of carpentry, ... I aint a carpenter, .. but I am proud of my efforts....
http://www.spring-air.com/737_projec.../mipstand1.jpg
That's my son's had on the imaginary yoke and throttles as he tries the panel for size. I have used some gaffer tape to secure everything together for the picture, .. this will definitely damage the painted surface but I had decided long ago to repaint the panel when I paint the stand.
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Hey capetonian
just a little question i love you cockpit the first 2 images what are the sizes thanks looks great
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Nevada
Hey capetonian
just a little question i love you cockpit the first 2 images what are the sizes thanks looks great
Hi, .. which images are you referring to?
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hi there, ...
a quick update, .. I have not been sitting still, .. but to photograph everything I do .... also been really busy at work, last Monday for example, up and down to Paris in 12 hours and 5 minutes, ... 1003km's, .. and I am off again on Sunday :(
Well, .. a bunch of stuff arrived in the mail including 50 new switches:
http://www.spring-air.com/737_projec.../switches1.jpg
.... and some new rotaries....
http://www.spring-air.com/737_projec.../hardware2.jpg
...and I popped into the Gamma (building supplies store here in Holland)...
http://www.spring-air.com/737_projec.../hardware1.jpg
...where I picked up some fastening aids and a liter of RAL7011 (Boeing Grey!) acrylic paint.
...... geeze my desk is a mess!!!
http://www.spring-air.com/737_project/251109/desk.jpg
.....well, .. unpacked the switches and ... a few hours (and 3 episodes of House) later:
http://www.spring-air.com/737_projec.../switches2.jpg
... thats it for now :)
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Last night I wired up another two LED harnesses for the Flight Control panel and 'fitted' the LEDS. It's slowly filling up, I am just waiting for a few more LED orders and some more switches that I ordered
http://www.spring-air.com/737_projec.../overhead1.jpg
...it's starting to look really busy back here ....
http://www.spring-air.com/737_projec.../overhead2.jpg
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Capetonian, what size monitors did you use for the displays? Brand?
Also, do you have measured ACAD drawings of the main instrument panel (preferably in inches) ;)
Thanks for a great post!
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.....so, finally a day off... so... we swee p out the scale model collection and pull out 39 sought after kits and about 20 sought after or rare decal sheets and take them to our local hobby shop. ......
http://www.spring-air.com/737_project/021209/kits1.jpg
http://www.spring-air.com/737_project/021209/kits2.jpg
http://www.spring-air.com/737_project/021209/kits3.jpg
...then we add 200 odd euros out of ones pocket to the equation and bob's your uncle........ a full scale 1:1 working MCP for our 737 cockpit project. The circuit board in the first picture is a MIPboard which isused to connect all the switches, buttons, lights etc on the MIP (Main Instrument Panel, for those not up to speed on the Jargon) More info on the MIP can be found HERE and info on the MIPboard can be found HERE .
http://www.spring-air.com/737_project/021209/mcp1.jpg
http://www.spring-air.com/737_project/021209/mcp2.jpg
..... oh... this is really getting to an exciting stage..... with a little more work we can actually 'fly' the MIP by the weekend, .. and that will be a major milestone in our project.
... to be continued .....
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HoustonFirefox
Capetonian, what size monitors did you use for the displays? Brand?
Hi there, .. thanks for following my build. I use two el cheapo 19" wide screen LG monitors. LG is definitely not my fist choice of business/gaming monitor but for this purpose they are absolutely perfect!! They cost about 93 euros (obviously different on your side of the world I guess) each. The middle screen, with the standby instruments is a 15: Iiyama monitor which I got from work, ... I have removed the bezels from all three monitors
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Also, do you have measured ACAD drawings of the main instrument panel (preferably in inches) ;)
Thanks for a great post!
Have a look in the file section here. I did not make this panel but I did use the images found on the web and at MyCockpit to draw out my first panel on MFD.
I hope that helps, ... if you need more info please do not hesitate to give me a shout!
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Aaargggg.... in Holland they have this funny tradition with a dude on a horse called the Sint, .. well he's like Father Christmas just nowhere near as cool, .. anyway people always buy each other gifts so my son and I popped in to the LHShop to get a present for ourselves :)
Aaaahhhhhhhhh - I love my new toy, ... we finally wired it up last night too:
http://www.spring-air.com/737_project/061209/efis1.jpg
together with the MCP I picked up last week:
http://www.spring-air.com/737_project/061209/glare1.jpg
.... to be continued ....
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The last week has been chaos at work, but finally things have slowed down now and I hope to spend some time on the sim the coming week or so.
It's damned cold outside, -4 and there has been a pile of snow on the ground since Thursday.
I have made a new Main Instrument panel out of wood, we will use this one instead of the plastic-like one that we have, I will be able to screw into MDF and get a better join than with the plastic stuff. Anyway the new panel has been primered, I'll be sanding that and painting it in the next day or two.
Today we did a test with the first electronics, because the new MIP is drying we used the old one and just stuck a few LEDS through, here is a quick film clip on Youtube :)
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,,, and this morning I spent a few minutes putting together my master caution and Fire Warning lights.
http://www.spring-air.com/737_projec...are_light1.jpg
These push button switches which I purchased online from Conrad, The switch costs 6 euro, the push-button (the clear one) costs 8 euro and a set of lamp bulbs (2 per set) costs 4 euro. (approx costs including postage).
I designed the six-pack annunciators and the button legends in Photoshop, although the buttons are made to fit these switches, the six-packs are 1:1 scale.
http://www.spring-air.com/737_projec...are_light2.jpg
I printed the six-pack annunciators on clear transparency (for overhead projectors) and cut the buttons out with a modeling scalpel. The lid of the push button can be easily prised off with the tip of a hobby knife or a small flat screwdriver.
If you want to make switches like these then you might want to download my six-pack file in BMP format.
http://www.spring-air.com/737_projec.../mini6pack.jpg
Filesize: 9,5MB, Rightclick, "Save-as ...."
If you want me to make a mini tutorial then let me know. If you have problems getting hold of these parts in your country, let me know.
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Can you give me the product numbers of the Master Caution switch and stuff?. I want to take a look maybe i will build one.
Thanx
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jesper1100
Can you give me the product numbers of the Master Caution switch and stuff?. I want to take a look maybe i will build one.
Thanx
Sitting at Tegel Airport at the moment waiting for the (Transavia!!) PH-XRW to arrive and take us back home.... I'll send you the part numbers tomorrow.
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capetonian
Sitting at Tegel Airport at the moment waiting for the (Transavia!!) PH-XRW to arrive and take us back home.... I'll send you the part numbers tomorrow.
I'll appreciate that.
En succes met wachten en een fijne vlucht!
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Ah . nice to be home and kudos to the cockpit crew of the Transavia HV6876 for answering our questions last night and being so enthusiastic when we mentioned that we building a (Transavia) 737-sim!! These guys were willing to answer questions, even though it was already 23:30. What a contrast to the outbound crew.
Anyway , .. back to the switches:
This is the pushbutton section of the switch: Drukknop kleurloos 702528 - 89
I must admit that I made the 'mistake' of ordering two clear ones and two red ones. For the redo ones I printed the FIRE WARN labels on overhead sheet without the red background and these look very good! If you want the red one it's: 702536 - 89
The switch unit is this one: Schakelelement 250 V/6 A toets 703370 - 89 and the light bulbs that you need are: Osram Armatuurlamp W2 x 4,6D 1,2W 12V 857020 - 89 they come packed per pair so if you are building 4 buttons you will need to order 2 of these.
If you don't have access to a color laser printer and transparent sheets I could send you a set of inlays as I printed several of them.
There we go, ... hope that helps :)
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So you printed it on overhead sheets? But isn't that color less and your Master Caution button is yellow so how did you did that? And you removed the red sticker off the Fire warning switch and put the printed on one?
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The master caution I printed with an orange background. It is not possible to remove a filter if you buy a push button in a specific color. I found that out the hard way so I reprinted the FIRE legends on clear sheet without a background to compensate for the button already being red.
If you download my BMP file you can print the master cautions off of there!
Cheers,
Andrew
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Well, . apart from pulling my hair out while trying out 10000001 different sets of software for designing pcb boards I still managed to do a little work in the cockpit. Do any of you use pcb design software? I want to design my own input and output boards that I will connect to my OpenCockpits Mastercard with a 40pins IDE cable. I would love to know which software you guys use...
Anyway, .. I now have the screen in place, to,morrow I will adjust them so that they are 100% level and I will tackle the Opencockpits gear lever, ... with the thickness of the panel *and* the 8mm of mdf behind the panels, the gear lever can not travel it's full 100% of motion, I need to remove a little wood on both sides of the opening and try to place the lever against the actual (sub)panel from behind.
Once that is done, ... the glareshield.... hmmm, . it seems so easy but I really have a feeling I am going to screw it up , . thak goodness MDF is so cheap :)
My Stand with the screens installed.
http://www.spring-air.com/737_project/030110/stand.jpg
The panel in front of the screens, . and instantly it looks a lot more interesting :)
http://www.spring-air.com/737_projec...10/screens.jpg
.... to be continued.....
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Today I had a day off, ... work picks up tomorrow in full swing again, this week has been good for getting back into the groove.... tomorrow is going to be long, Sunday is gonna be a b1tch and then it's gonna get busy :)
So, . I spent some time working on the sim today..... the Landing gear has been bugging me... it did not quite fit ... so I really had to play and work with it... Once that was fixed I decided I'd had enough of breathing MDF dust .... time for a quick play with the software and the multi monitor setup.... of course as usual I had to take some pics for the archives..... some of the screens might look a little skew, . this is because the Main panel is not yet secured to the base, ... once this is dine, the ecreens will be flush against the back of the MIP and they will look a tad better, ...
They say a pic is worth a thousand words..... so ...
http://www.spring-air.com/737_projec...0/gearmech.jpg
...here you can see that there is a gap between the monitor and the panel, .. this will be corrected once the MIP has been fastned to the base.
http://www.spring-air.com/737_project/070110/gearup.jpg
Gear Up
http://www.spring-air.com/737_projec...0/geardown.jpg
Gear Down
http://www.spring-air.com/737_projec...gearlocked.jpg
Gear Off
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So then we started playing with the screens .....
http://www.spring-air.com/737_projec...0/screens1.jpg
The 19 inch monitor on the Captaina side needs to be moved 1 cm higher and 2mms to the right...
http://www.spring-air.com/737_projec...0/screens2.jpg
The middle screen is looking lekker , ... although I have now decided to go for real standby gauges sometime from Flight Illusion, they cost about 200 a piece .... so for now the software gauges are perfect!!!!
http://www.spring-air.com/737_projec...0/screens3.jpg
Fok, . dis mooi .... even if I say so myself :)
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... and since the screens were looking so cool .... I just had to hold up one of the frames with it's smoked plexiglas window..... Damnit, ... I realised something this evening, .. you actually need about 5 hands to hold stuff in place for photo's sometimes :)
http://www.spring-air.com/737_project/070110/frame1.jpg
This picture is absolutly awesome :) I get that funny feeling in the knees again , .. damn she's starting to look good.
http://www.spring-air.com/737_project/070110/frame2.jpg
Out of focus.... sorry, .. bite me ... I need those other three hands here
http://www.spring-air.com/737_project/070110/frame3.jpg
and another one. ......
.... to be continued ......
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Hi Andrew,
Can you check your pm please...
Thanks
Mike