How does PM behave with default FSX Autopilot?

[737aqua]

I don't have PM yet, but I have to say that the FSX autopilot is dire with the jets they offer. It can't hold speed properly on climb, decent, etc. It is not an accurate autopilot as PMDG, or other add-ons.

My question is: How does it function with PM, given that PM relies on this piece of crap?? If it is just as bad, is it worth spending thousands on a cockpit to fly with poor autopilot function?

Also, given the high price for PM, why arn't they offering us a decent Autopilot for MFS. They should be able to since PMDG, etc. can do it for a ridiculously low price. PM are increasing their prices to higher levels..why arn't they working on a proper autopilot? Does anybody know the deal here?

Sorry, but it seems getting a decent autpilot is a big problem with cockpit building. Desktop fliers with add-ons like PMDG shouldn't have a more accurate autopilot than Project Magenta which is a high-priced product.. Can't they do better?

Aqua

[Bob Reed]

PM does not use the "stock" autopilot. PM has developed there own. No FS autopilot at all. It is very good and always getting better.

[Trevor Hale]

Also, given the high price for PM, why arn't they offering us a decent Autopilot for MFS. PM are increasing their prices to higher levels..why arn't they working on a proper autopilot? Does anybody know the deal here?


Aqua,

There is a way to ask a question, or state your opinion without bashing. It appears that you have been misled in your opinion of Project Magenta. Perhaps you should download and try the demo before you base your opinion. Project Magenta systems operate quite nicely in FSX. As a matter of fact since Flightsim 2000, I have flown the Dreamfleet 737 and the PMDG 737 logging 1,000's of hours between the two of them. It is in my personal opinion that I have yet to see an autopilot anywhere in flight simulator (Since FS Version 5) that behaves smoother then that from Project Magenta. No MCP I personally have ever piloted intercepted localizers with as much ease as that from PM.

Thank you for your comments, and we hope you will find the solution to your quest for the ultimate autopilot.

Best regards,

Trev

[737aqua]

Sorry, I didn't mean to come across so brusque. I was under the impression that PM used FSX default autopilot in conjuction with its own system rather than a completly custom autopilot system like PMDG, etc uses. Given the poor default autopilot that many have experienced in FSX I guess I wrongly concluded that PM's autopilot system would be inaccurate too. Thank You for informing me that you believe PM's autopilot is worthy of precision flight.

Does the A/T system function well also?

[Bob Reed]

No offense taken. Glad to help out and get you in the right direction.You do not have to use PM. If you look around here you will see guys doing it without PM. Don't be afraid to ask questions we are all here to help and be helped!!

[Rodney]

To add,

If you want the true and complete funtion of the autopilot, don't stop with the MCP. Also invest in the EFIS & FMC. Although each is independent, they are a proven team of pilot mastery.

[Trevor Hale]

Does the A/T system function well also?

Yes,

Every function of the MCP has been recreated with impeccable accuracy , in fact... Project Magenta's FCU Airbus suite is just as accurate for those that like to drive the Bus.

Regards,

Trev

[Westozy]

G'day Rodney, where've you been?

I agree with Trevor, a physical MCP and EFIS is priceless, CP Flight gear is awesome.

Gwyn

[mgrant]

HI guys not meaning to hijack your thread but this is just a good a place to put it, I am using default A/C in FSX with the PM GC,MCP and CDU (may i add this whole setup is superb), i just have one question when i change from vnav to speed hold the mcp complies fine its just the Aircraft in FSX that does silly things and i have to disengage A/T. What i mean is if i have been at cruise for a while and then try to reduce manually by going to speed hold the left engine stays at previous power setting and the right retards leaving me no option but to disengage the A/T and set power as needed. When i do turn off the A/T and manually set both engines respond and comply. I have tried reengaging at mach number and ias this has no effect. I am flying the default 737 in FSX. Has anyone else come across this problem, maybe i have something set wrong

All the best Mark.

[michelmvd]

Hi Bob,
I didn't realize that PM is using now his own autopilot. As long I know, it is working in combination with the FS autopilot. There is a flag in the ini file of the MCP to activate a beta-version, but as far I know this is now de-activated by Enrico.
I can't talk for the B737, but in the B744 version, the A/P isn't as accurate it should be to simulate the complex VNAV and FLCH functions. Also the latest versions aren't even following the route correctely if you have a high crosswind or if waypoints are very near to eachother in a turn. The aircraft turns very sharpy just in front of the waypoint, to correct the drift every times. Due to this over-correcting the aircraft is flying in "S" on direct routes. (This has been reported to support as well) If I read the threads from you and Trev, it just looks like you are working with different versions of the soft in a B737 environment.
I also think the air-file is very important here. PMDG has excellent air-files, both for the B737 and B744. It's only a big pitty that the B744 one can't be used anymore without its own software, because the complex systems has been reprogrammed, inclusive a very accurate and correctly working A/P & A/T logic. Aircraft.cfg and .mdl parameters are completely depending on the PMDG program. I suppose this will be also the case with the upcoming FSX version of the B738NG.

Nevertheless, if you could direct me to the place to activate the new PM A/P, it would be appreciated, so that I can try it out.
At this moment the cockpit is still using FS2004.


B. rgds
Michel

[Peter Dowson]

I didn't realize that PM is using now his own autopilot. As long I know, it is working in combination with the FS autopilot. There is a flag in the ini file of the MCP to activate a beta-version, but as far I know this is now de-activated by Enrico.

The problem with the beta version A/P was that it needs specific tuning for each aircraft (much as FS is partially so tuned via AIR and CFG file parameters), and investigating what parameters were needed and how to document them sufficiently for users to do the job for their favourite FS aircraft, was a much bigger job than Enrico had time for with everything else on his plate.

I tried to help by supplying faster feedback loops operating to supplied parameters but inside FSUIPC (hence inside FS), but the speed control was still a problem -- generally the Pitch/Bank/Heading guidance was good, not needing much tuning, but it was difficult to deal with the throttle to set correct speed without unwanted oscillations, at least without much more and specific tuning.

The feedback control facilities are still available within FSUIPC, though generally not published, and should work with FSX too (though totally untested at present).

I know that for PMDG, who do this sort of thing for very specific aircraft, it takes many many man-hours to get their autopilots just so. In fact this is the main reason they give for not publisihng an interface to it which could be better used in PM (for example).

So, you see, PM has a difficult problem unless you are going to restrict its use to specific models.

The way the default AP works in PM's MCP module does make use of FS's inbuilt AP modes, but it doesn't just set things and leave it to it -- it is constantly adjusting the parameters so that the A/P does what the MCP wants. It has always worked pretty well -- but you should be aware that the FSX default models are not the same as the FS2004 ones. The 737-800 isn't bad, but I still prefer the PMDG 737-700 and -800 air and CFG files, with some changes made by Thomas.

And the pilot must always take care to keep the aircraft operating within the A/P's capability envelope. Once outside chaos ensues!

Regards

Pete

[737aqua]

So, Peter, you are saying that a 737 will not maintain speed properly or VNAV properly with PM under FSX? It really doesn't work well at all?
I want an accurate A/P if I'm spending hundreds for PM software.

To all those who critized my first post, I was right about what I said originally!! It DOES use FSX.


According to users, FSX does not have an accurate A/P with its default planes. I think this is very dissapointing -- we spend so much on a cockpit only to have an A/P worse than a 40$ add-on like PMDG. So, does this mean that FSX has worse A/P performance with FSX than earlier versions?

Really, for the price they charge for PM, they should be working on at least one or two popular flight models and A/P...Its ridiculous that they arn't even trying and yet they are raising their prices. I'm sure they could focus on the two most popular aircraft and develop a version. Why do they have this annoying "must please everyone" phillosophy.

Do you know if they would develop a custom A/P for a specific aircraft? Is this what the Pro contracts that they deal with use, because I doubt the Pros use an inaccurate A/P for flight training with PM. Am I right here Peter?

Thanks
Aqua

[mgrant]

I must admit PM seem to be suffering with a few problems with their software and FSX, i am having the same problem with vnav speeds all goes wrong, take a look at what happens when i try to slow down, engine number 1 doesn't retard number 2 however does. How strange im sure they will sort it out though.

http://www.mark1million.talktalk.net/images/new_pa1.jpg

Mark

[737aqua]

Yes,

Every function of the MCP has been recreated with impeccable accuracy , in fact... Project Magenta's FCU Airbus suite is just as accurate for those that like to drive the Bus.

Regards,

Trev

How can what you say be believed after reading the posts by Peter and mgrant.???

[mgrant]

Hi Guys back with a report, these guys at PM are lightning quick and worth every penny,:D A/T problem resolved just a case of editing the default aircrafts cfg file... :-) Happy Days......

Thanks PM

Mark

[michelmvd]

Hi Pete,
Thanks a lot for the very professional way you explained the working of the PM -autopilot. This is one of thing I appreciate a lot. Constructive information can help all of us, to give us a better view of the situation and the possibilities. Pete can we use this parameters in FSIUPC still today in FS2004 ? or are they "grey out"

Bob or Trev, are you using the professional version of the PM software for a specific type of B737 ?

Blindness admiration is maybe nice for PM, but will not help us out of the problems. Only by communicating our problems can help, to improve this software, which is in my opinion unique in his kind. Nevertheless this doesn't mean it can not be improved on a lot of levels and certianly for type specific things. We all know Enrico is a hard worker and he has "time" against him, but with feedback for a good team he must be able to do a lot ;)

B. rgds
Michel

[737aqua]

I e-mailed Johnathan at PM to inquire. He said there is no planned development of the A/P system.

Michael, do you know what cost the pro version of the software is? Does it have much more accurate sytems? Will they sell it to private users?

[Peter Dowson]

So, Peter, you are saying that a 737 will not maintain speed properly or VNAV properly with PM under FSX? It really doesn't work well at all?

No, I am not saying that! Where do you read that?

It seems to work pretty well with the default 737-800, but I have better & smoother results all round with the PMDG models, air and CFG files (as modified a while back by Thomas), using the appropriate 737 files in PM.

I don't know why I bothered trying to explain anything. You seem to have misread just about everything I wrote! :-(


Pete

[Peter Dowson]

Pete can we use this parameters in FSIUPC still today in FS2004 ? or are they "grey out"

The feedback facilities are still in place. As I said, the pitch/bank/yaw loops were working reasonably well with little tweaking for different aircraft, but the airspeed and mach hold loops are in need of a lot of work to tune them for different aircraft, else they induce oscillation.

Are you a programmer thinking of writing your own external autopilot?

Regards

Pete

[Peter Dowson]

I must admit PM seem to be suffering with a few problems with their software and FSX, i am having the same problem with vnav speeds all goes wrong, take a look at what happens when i try to slow down, engine number 1 doesn't retard number 2 however does.

Are you saying that the FSX throttle doesn't respond to your throttle changes? You aren't expecting PM to do the retarding are you? It is not likely (nor supposed to) override your own throttle inputs. Even when using AutoThrottle I always place the throttle levers at full max in normal climbs, and pull them right back to idle during cruise so that on descent, when the VNAV system relinquishes throttle control, the settings are correct.

From your illustration it looks like either you only have one throttle lever and have not selected both throttles (E + 1 + 2, or use the FSUIPC shortcut key), or you have set the (unrealistic, I think?) PM option for A/T control during descent and somehow your real throttle inputs are interfering with the settings FSX is trying to make on PMs behalf.


Regards

Pete

[737aqua]

>No, I am not saying that! Where do you read that?

It seems to work pretty well with the default 737-800, but I have better & smoother results all round with the PMDG models, air and CFG files (as modified a while back by Thomas), using the appropriate 737 files in PM.

I don't know why I bothered trying to explain anything. You seem to have misread just about everything I wrote! :sad:<<<

>>>From your illustration it looks like either you only have one throttle lever and have not selected both throttles (E + 1 + 2, or use the FSUIPC shortcut key), or you have set the (unrealistic, I think?) PM option for A/T control during descent >>>

You didn't say it directly, but from all the other posts I've read talking about how VNAV and A/T isn't functioning like the real world makes me question it. Also why would there be a desire to make a new A/P by Enrico if the current situation was optimal. This is why I am assuming that the A/T system and VNAV isn't as accurate as it could be.

You also seem to allude yourself to a problem above -- you say above that having PM control the AT during decent is un-realistic.. That is not an unrealistic thing to ask a proper autpilot to do on the real aircraft. If it can't handle A/T properly on decent, its not behaving properly. Can you explain why it isn't realistic to expect VNAV to use the A/T properly or is this just a flaw in the system?

Thanks
Aqua

[Peter Dowson]

Also why would there be a desire to make a new A/P by Enrico if the current situation was optimal.

"Optimal"? Who said anything about "optimal"? What exactly does "optimal" mean in such a context? "The best overall for the number of different aircraft models it has to cope with and without stopping work on everything else for months" -- that sort of "optimal"? If that's what you mean, it is optimal. If you mean "perfect" then no, of course it isn't perfect!


This is why I am assuming that the A/T system and VNAV isn't as accurate as it could be.Of course you can assume that it is "not as accurate as it could be". But that is a far cry from your statements that is does "not maintain speed properly" and "It really doesn't work well at all?", statements you were trying to make out I'd said or implied! PM's A/P is a lot better than FS's alone, but it isn't perfect. No one said it was. but it's about as good as it gets unless you employ several experts for many months perfecting the performance on one or two specific models, which is what PMDG have done.


You also seem to allude yourself to a problem above -- you say above that having PM control the AT during decent is un-realistic.. That is not an unrealistic thing to ask a proper autpilot to do on the real aircraft. If it can't handle A/T properly on decent, its not behaving properly.I'm sorry, maybe I don't know everything like you, but I thought the descent wasn't under auto-throttle control in any case, that the throttles were retarded and left at idle unless the pilot intervened. This is for Boeing, I've no idea for Airbus.

Also, there's no realistic throttle control without motorised throttles. The pilot's movement of the thrust levers effectively overrides the A/T, as it does in FS. If the A/T cannot move the levers to idle for descent, you have to.


Can you explain why it isn't realistic to expect VNAV to use the A/T properly or is this just a flaw in the system?

I can only explain what I understand, and that is for Boeing aircraft. You explain what you know. If I am wrong, I apologise, but none of this is at all in any way related to PM's autopilot or its performance. I was only questioning the problem of the throttle quadrant lever position oddity, reported by someone else, and actually nothing whatsoever to do with your A/P complaints!

Anyway, you think what you think. Sorry, but I've got no more time to argue. But don't try to put words in my mouth, please. Read what I say and don't misquote me, that's all I ask.

Pete

[737aqua]

Wow, you don't need to get so Pissed-off..what are you, grumpy or something?

Yes, I'm sorry, but for the price of PM software I DO expect that the people there to be spending hours to perfect the A/P. It is an integral part of the airliner system, and if its not right, its not worth building an expensive cockpit around IMO. If PMDG can do it, PM can do it given for 1 or 2 flight models...I mean, they charge like 6x or more the price of PMDG.

Remind me next time not to "bother" you, Mr. Grumpy.


"Optimal"? Who said anything about "optimal"? What exactly does "optimal" mean in such a context? "The best overall for the number of different aircraft models it has to cope with and without stopping work on everything else for months" -- that sort of "optimal"? If that's what you mean, it is optimal. If you mean "perfect" then no, of course it isn't perfect!

Of course you can assume that it is "not as accurate as it could be". But that is a far cry from your statements that is does "not maintain speed properly" and "It really doesn't work well at all?", statements you were trying to make out I'd said or implied! PM's A/P is a lot better than FS's alone, but it isn't perfect. No one said it was. but it's about as good as it gets unless you employ several experts for many months perfecting the performance on one or two specific models, which is what PMDG have done.

I'm sorry, maybe I don't know everything like you, but I thought the descent wasn't under auto-throttle control in any case, that the throttles were retarded and left at idle unless the pilot intervened. This is for Boeing, I've no idea for Airbus.

Also, there's no realistic throttle control without motorised throttles. The pilot's movement of the thrust levers effectively overrides the A/T, as it does in FS. If the A/T cannot move the levers to idle for descent, you have to.



I can only explain what I understand, and that is for Boeing aircraft. You explain what you know. If I am wrong, I apologise, but none of this is at all in any way related to PM's autopilot or its performance. I was only questioning the problem of the throttle quadrant lever position oddity, reported by someone else, and actually nothing whatsoever to do with your A/P complaints!

Anyway, you think what you think. Sorry, but I've got no more time to argue. But don't try to put words in my mouth, please. Read what I say and don't misquote me, that's all I ask.

Pete

[Bob Reed]

I don't know what your point is here Aqua, but PM does NOT use the Flight Sim stock Auto Pilot. End of conversation. PM is not perfect but gets better all the time. Didn't I wrote that already? As far as the professional version, there is no pro version PM is PM. You have a hobbyists license or a professional license. The 737 software is the furthest along for being real then the rest because it has more professional clients using that software. The auto throttle only works 100% if you have motorized working throttles or else on decent you have to pull the throttles back to idle. Do you even know how VNav works? It controls the speed of the aircraft by changing the pitch + or_ to hold the commanded speed. And like Peter said, if you already know the answers to the questions you are asking, (which you seem to think you do) then why ask them? Yes PM is high $$ but there is nothing even close to it on the market. Not to mention free updates for life and some of the best support you will ever find for software.

[737aqua]

Fine, I accept your explanation as valid, I'm just attempting to get the full picture here before commiting. I'm sorry, but I think as a newbie i've been reading the wrong material and quite a bit of misinformation. So I am sorry if I am off here. I feel offended and incredibly betrayed by the harsh mean tone of Peters Last post...Can't people make mistakes here, or is it a sin or something...

[Bob Reed]

Peter is Peter. He does not mean anything by that. Go look at his forum that is just how he talks on the internet. Very straight forward no monkeying around. He means nothing personal. But no one likes what they said twisted! Let me ask you, have you tried the demos for PM? I have been using PM for years and will use nothing else. Yes I am building the 737 which is by far there best software that PM does, so I can not talk for the 747,777 and Airbus software and I will not try. It is very hard to tell you how it works, it needs to bee seen. The software is expensive there is no doubt about that, but what in this hobby is not? Is it worth the dollars.... Well that is a personal thing but I would have to say yes as my cockpit would not exist without it! Only VERY recently has there been any other way to do a cockpit and that is with PMDG and a couple of other AC. There are very large restrictions on what you can do with this type of cockpit and would not be willing to do that, even now! So it comes to where you have to ask yourself, what do you want to do with your cockpit? Are you willing to accept the restrictions with using a all in one software like PMDG? I own PMDG and a few others, none of them are any where close to where PM's auto pilot (for the 737) is! And yes that is my opinion much like most everything else in this hobby is.... Just one's opinion!

[Peter Dowson]

Remind me next time not to "bother" you, Mr. Grumpy.

You are entitled to your opinions, you don't need to believe other people of course, but please don't put words into their mouths.

Pete

[737aqua]

Ok, sorry i didn't mean that, I just misinterpreted you.

[michelmvd]

Hi Bob,

I, but PM does NOT use the Flight Sim stock Auto Pilot. End of conversation. .

I think it is not a good idea to start crying to each other. This will not bring anyone any further and newbies will be very afraid to ask something.
I think only with a good teamspirit you can have good results.
Bob you said that PM is not using FS A/P, but Peter was very clear in his message and said the reverse and explained in details how it is used and trimmed by PM.
As you use the PM one, I suppose you activated the PM A/P somewhere. Can you let me know where it can be done this days, as you also said there are no different versions, so I assume we are using the same software (only different types). I would like to try it out and eventually try to tune the airfile.

Just like to check that A/P, certainly after Jonanthan said there are no plans to developpe a new one in the near futur.

Thanks for your kind collaboration

Michel

[Bob Reed]

Hi Michel. Well as far as PM using FS's AP I think I went a little far, yes it does use the root of the FS auto pilot, but you have to remember I have used nothing but PM's auto pilot for years so to me there is no FS AP. Now the way PM uses the stock AP is nothing like how the stock ap operates, the software (PM) adds a ton of stuff to make the aircraft fly as expected with the AP so in essence PM is not using the stock AP as FS does! It is using the stock FS auto pilot as modified by the PM software. Now where do you change it? Do you mean the MCP from 747 to 737 ext.? That is in the MCP menu. Michel I am not using the AP that was known as the Beta in the ini form the MCP. I think this is what Jonathan was talking about.

[michelmvd]

I e-mailed Johnathan at PM to inquire. He said there is no planned development of the A/P system.

Michael, do you know what cost the pro version of the software is? Does it have much more accurate sytems? Will they sell it to private users?

I think the best thing to do is ask this straight to Enrico. This is a commercial matter and I don't think this item can be discusted in this forum

According to Bob there are no different versions.

B. rgds
Michel

[michelmvd]

Ok Bob, thanks very much for clarification. I understand it completely now.
No I haven't to change the MCP in to B737, just wanted to test the test AP I tought you was talking about.
Looking forwarding to the new builds of the CDU, which is the most important thing for the moment I think.
For the rest we have to tune and tune to find a good airfile ;) for our beloved Queen of the Skies
B. Rgds
Michel

[Bob Reed]

Yes unlike the 737 there is no "real good" file for the 747. What are you using now? Is it a self made aircraft file, in other words one you have tweaked. We would like to start sharing this type of thing with other users as long as it does not infringe on someones copy right...

[michelmvd]

Hi Bob
Well I'm presently using the one of Pedro Oliveira. It can be found in the file library of www.flightsim.com.
Until now it is the best I could find. PMDG B744 airfile is excellent and the most realistic after PS1 according real life pilots but totaly useless for cockpitbuilders.
It is my attention to tweak Pedro's file more in the coming month's but it will never be the same as the PMDG one due to the fact of the complete re-programming of the B744 systems and behavior by a team of specialists with in PMDG.

I also adapted the PM CDU txt file already to bring it more in line with the B744 - flight annunciators and flaps indication.
B. Rgds
Michel

[Trevor Hale]

Hi Guys,

I wish I had jumped in here sooner.

Yes Pm uses the basic FS functions for autopilot, however if you were to run your aircraft with a default autopilot panel running, this can cause serious havoc with the PM Autopilot (panel) As Peter stated, the FS autopilots are Fire and forget, PM is constantly reading and monitoring the functions, therefor it is able to anticipate localizer/turns/FMC operations quicker then any of the default autopilots.

That is what I meant by replicates all functions.

It operates smoother then any panel autopilot I have seen, although many like PM use the root functions in FS. If it didn't then Peters FSUIPC wouldn't be able to control them with the same offsets.

Trev

[michelmvd]

Hi Trev
Do I understand well that you don't use the default panel when you fly with PM. So no files in the panel map of the aircraft which is used ?
B. Rgds
Michel

[Trevor Hale]

That is 100% correct. the aircraft I fly has the entire panel folder and panel.cfg removed :)

[Bob Reed]

This is the way I do it too! No files in these folders.

[mgrant]

Guys do you use fs9 or fsx?

[Bob Reed]

Right now, my Sim is setup with FS9.....

[NicD]

I'm the same.. FS9 with PMDG737 and all panel files and references removed.

Another thing to keep in mind re: the question about PM vs PMDG and relative prices... PMDG is marketed and sold to a much bigger market and has (probably) sold in the tens of thousands. PMs market is much smaller, in the hundreds ASFAIK, so costs of R&D, support etc. are spread over a much smaller customer base. So comparing raw prices of these two is not really fair ... has to be apples with apples.

[michelmvd]

That is 100% correct. the aircraft I fly has the entire panel folder and panel.cfg removed :)

Okidoki, I will try this kind of setup out this weekend too .

Many thanks for suggestions
Michel

[michelmvd]

Hi All,
Ok I removed all files in the panel map of the aircraft I used for PM. There doesn't seems any improvement in the accuraty when flying routes with high crosswinds and or VNAV situations, but it certainly doesn't make it worse either. FS certainly have less files and gauges to load in memory, which always is good factor.
Actually I remember I removed all files in the past too, but with the reinstallation of my project on a faster computer, I looks I was forgotten that item.
Thanks guys for the tip.
B Rgds
Michel

[737aqua]

Michel, which flight model do you use..

[michelmvd]

I see use the modified airfile by Pedro Oliveira for the B744 GE-Engines
You can find it on flightsim.com
B. Rgds
Michel

[Trevor Hale]

This is indeed bizarre. I recall a .ini setting that might help you. One of the options in I believe the GC.ini is to use heading instead of track with the fms. I would suggest you change this, to track mode, therefore the aircraft can crab in the air so that it can follow the correct track in the flighplan due to the winds.

Just a suggestion, but give it a go.

Best regards,

Trev

[Bob Reed]

Hmmm Trevor.. You may be on to something there. It has been so long since I have looked at some of those settings in the INI file... Better get my docs back out and take a look huh? One more thing are you guys with trouble using PMSystems?

[michelmvd]

Hi Bob
I'm using pmsystem99b in full B744 mode.
There are still some functions missing and led indications not working but the program itself doesn't give me any problems for the moment. Phidgets interface is working properly.

The missing logics is something we have to take care of by Thomas I suppose but my intention is to give him a list of missing B744 items but still didn't found a timeframe to do it.
B. Rgds
Michel

[michelmvd]

Hi Trev
Thanks for suggestion but I suppose this has something to do with the indication - graphics heading bug or track pointer. I don't think this has some influence in the real navigation of the aircraft. Will check in the coming days anyway.
B. Rgds
Michel