Re: Descent and V/S-FLCH issues

[Enrico Schiratti]

Hi Ray,

I am not sure where the panel fits in with this... in any case, please do
download the current new build I uploaded two days ago to
www.projectmagenta.com/updates.html

Ciao

Enrico

"Ray Proudfoot" wrote in message
news:389553.77722@wb.onvix.com...
> Hi Enrico,
>
> LOL! I do have worse things that happen ;-)
>
> I'm afraid I can't be specific about a time when it worked but it has
> definitely worked in the past. I have the 737 BMP loaded but I have the
> full
>
> forward view enabled. i.e. no visible PM panel. I wonder if it's worth
> trying this with the panel visible? I'll try later and report back.
>
> Cheers.
>
>
>
> "Enrico Schiratti" wrote in message
> news:389445.77722@wb.onvix.com...
>> Hi,
>>
>> I will give it a go with that combination... since when is this dreadful
>> thing happening to you? Has it worked before on this setup?
>>
>> Ciao
>>
>> Enrico
>>
>> "Ray Proudfoot" wrote in message
>> news:389328.77722@wb.onvix.com...
>>> Hi Enrico,
>>>
>>> I'm sorry it's so tedious for you. Perhaps if I describe each action it
>>> may
>>>
>>> help.
>>>
>>> 1. I'm cruising at FL350 and still 50 miles from ToD.
>>> 2. Radar Contact controller orders me down to FL290.
>>> 3. I dial up 29000 on the Aerosoft MCP (but don't press the white
>> button).
>>> 35000 is still displayed on the PFD in magenta.
>>> 4. I bring up the Desc page on the CDU and press 'Descend Now'. I would
>>> expect the aircraft to engage a 1000fpm descent but it doesn't. It
>>> stubbornly stays at FL350. The only way I can initiate the descent is
by
>>> switching to V/S and dialling up a descent rate. Not what I want I'm
>>> afraid.
>>>
>>> I'm running build 435 of the PFD, 371 of the CDU and 405 of the MCP.
The
>>> MCP
>>>
>>> is running on the FS PC and the PFD and CDU are running on my other PC
>> via
>>> WideFS. I fly the PMDG737-700 and use the MCP in 747MCP mode with VNav
>> Des
>>> SPD control enabled and Auto V/S enabled. Full 8 Mode ND is also
> enabled.
>>>
>>> I hope that helps.
>>>
>>> Cheers.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "Enrico Schiratti" wrote in message
>>> news:389269.77722@wb.onvix.com...
>>>>> I'm using the Aerosoft MCP. I dial in the lower altitude (but don't
>>> press
>>>>> the white altitude knob) and then press Descend Now but the aircraft
>>>>> refuses
>>>>>
>>>>> to descend. Are you using the Aerosoft MCP? I wonder if that might be
> a
>>>>> factor?
>>>>
>>>> I am trying all sorts of combinations, including the Aerosoft MCP...
it
>>> is
>>>> rather tedious, I am afraid.
>>>>
>>>> Ciao
>>>>
>>>> Enrico
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> "Enrico Schiratti" wrote in message
>>>>> news:389238.77722@wb.onvix.com...
>>>>>> Hi Ray,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I still can't reproduce the problem here, i.e. I do get the descend
>> now
>>>>> as
>>>>>> it should be... looks like I am stuck trying to observe things so I
> am
>>>>>> able
>>>>>>
>>>>>> to do something about them.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ciao
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Enrico
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Ray Proudfoot" wrote in message
>>>>>> news:388711.77722@wb.onvix.com...
>>>>>>> James,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I tried your suggestion but it didn't work. This definitely worked
> in
>>>>> the
>>>>>>> past so I'm hoping Enrico can help. Most won't get this problem.
> It's
>>>>>> only
>>>>>>> because I use Radar Contact I need to start down earlier than ToD.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Cheers.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "JAMES WEBSTER" wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:388601.77722@wb.onvix.com...
>>>>>>>> Hi guys,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I have seen this as well. Not that often though. I do get a PM
>> sounds
>>>>>>>> warning
>>>>>>>> " Top of descent in 50 miles " up to 100 miles out from the actual
>>> CDU
>>>>>>>> TOD.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> As far as the Descend now function goes I find retarding the
>>> Throttels
>>>>>>>> first
>>>>>>>> and then selecting Descend now works.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> James
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>

[Michel Vandaele]

Hi Enrico,
Just for information here.
I see that people are using the Aerosoft MCP B747 for a B737.
Please note that in B744 operations a descend or a climb always has to be
confirmed by pushing the ALT sellector after dialed in a new altitude.
Nothing may happen before.

Same for a speed intervien.

Just for info so that B737 and B747 aren't mixed up ;)

Ciao

Michel

"Enrico Schiratti" wrote in message
news:389828.77722@wb.onvix.com...
> Hi Ray,
>
> I am not sure where the panel fits in with this... in any case, please do
> download the current new build I uploaded two days ago to
> www.projectmagenta.com/updates.html
>
> Ciao
>
> Enrico
>
> "Ray Proudfoot" wrote in message
> news:389553.77722@wb.onvix.com...
>> Hi Enrico,
>>
>> LOL! I do have worse things that happen ;-)
>>
>> I'm afraid I can't be specific about a time when it worked but it has
>> definitely worked in the past. I have the 737 BMP loaded but I have the
>> full
>>
>> forward view enabled. i.e. no visible PM panel. I wonder if it's worth
>> trying this with the panel visible? I'll try later and report back.
>>
>> Cheers.
>>
>>
>>
>> "Enrico Schiratti" wrote in message
>> news:389445.77722@wb.onvix.com...
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I will give it a go with that combination... since when is this
dreadful
>>> thing happening to you? Has it worked before on this setup?
>>>
>>> Ciao
>>>
>>> Enrico
>>>
>>> "Ray Proudfoot" wrote in message
>>> news:389328.77722@wb.onvix.com...
>>>> Hi Enrico,
>>>>
>>>> I'm sorry it's so tedious for you. Perhaps if I describe each action
it
>>>> may
>>>>
>>>> help.
>>>>
>>>> 1. I'm cruising at FL350 and still 50 miles from ToD.
>>>> 2. Radar Contact controller orders me down to FL290.
>>>> 3. I dial up 29000 on the Aerosoft MCP (but don't press the white
>>> button).
>>>> 35000 is still displayed on the PFD in magenta.
>>>> 4. I bring up the Desc page on the CDU and press 'Descend Now'. I
would
>>>> expect the aircraft to engage a 1000fpm descent but it doesn't. It
>>>> stubbornly stays at FL350. The only way I can initiate the descent is
> by
>>>> switching to V/S and dialling up a descent rate. Not what I want I'm
>>>> afraid.
>>>>
>>>> I'm running build 435 of the PFD, 371 of the CDU and 405 of the MCP.
> The
>>>> MCP
>>>>
>>>> is running on the FS PC and the PFD and CDU are running on my other PC
>>> via
>>>> WideFS. I fly the PMDG737-700 and use the MCP in 747MCP mode with VNav
>>> Des
>>>> SPD control enabled and Auto V/S enabled. Full 8 Mode ND is also
>> enabled.
>>>>
>>>> I hope that helps.
>>>>
>>>> Cheers.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Enrico Schiratti" wrote in message
>>>> news:389269.77722@wb.onvix.com...
>>>>>> I'm using the Aerosoft MCP. I dial in the lower altitude (but don't
>>>> press
>>>>>> the white altitude knob) and then press Descend Now but the aircraft
>>>>>> refuses
>>>>>>
>>>>>> to descend. Are you using the Aerosoft MCP? I wonder if that might
be
>> a
>>>>>> factor?
>>>>>
>>>>> I am trying all sorts of combinations, including the Aerosoft MCP...
> it
>>>> is
>>>>> rather tedious, I am afraid.
>>>>>
>>>>> Ciao
>>>>>
>>>>> Enrico
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> "Enrico Schiratti" wrote in message
>>>>>> news:389238.77722@wb.onvix.com...
>>>>>>> Hi Ray,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I still can't reproduce the problem here, i.e. I do get the descend
>>> now
>>>>>> as
>>>>>>> it should be... looks like I am stuck trying to observe things so I
>> am
>>>>>>> able
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> to do something about them.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ciao
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Enrico
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Ray Proudfoot" wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:388711.77722@wb.onvix.com...
>>>>>>>> James,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I tried your suggestion but it didn't work. This definitely worked
>> in
>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> past so I'm hoping Enrico can help. Most won't get this problem.
>> It's
>>>>>>> only
>>>>>>>> because I use Radar Contact I need to start down earlier than ToD.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Cheers.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "JAMES WEBSTER" wrote in message
>>>>>>>> news:388601.77722@wb.onvix.com...
>>>>>>>>> Hi guys,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I have seen this as well. Not that often though. I do get a PM
>>> sounds
>>>>>>>>> warning
>>>>>>>>> " Top of descent in 50 miles " up to 100 miles out from the
actual
>>>> CDU
>>>>>>>>> TOD.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> As far as the Descend now function goes I find retarding the
>>>> Throttels
>>>>>>>>> first
>>>>>>>>> and then selecting Descend now works.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> James
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>

[Serge D'hollander]

Hi Enrico,

Just tried the latest CDU update and it works now but not the way Michel
explained for a B747. After selecting a lower altitude on the MCP, the aircraft
initiate a decend just after hitting the 'Descend now' on the CDU without
pushing the ALT knob on the MCP.

I do not know if this is true only for a B737 operation but it is already an
improvement.

Thanks,
Serge.

[Peter Dowson]

On 2/10/2006 10:14:48 AM, Serge D'hollander wrote:
>I do not know if this is true
>only for a B737 operation but
>it is already an improvement.

I think it is correct for a 737. Once within a certain range (50 miles?) of
the computed TOD I think any reduction of Alt on the MCP should give rise to
the DESCEND NOW option, and, in any case, if the option is offered it
should most certainly work when selected (no matter which aircraft model, I
should think).

The altitude override button on the MCP (which is an airline option in any
case on the 737) actually changes the altitude requirement for the next
waypoint so forcing a recomputation of TOD and, usually as a result, an earlier
descent -- though of course it could be a climb and a later TOD!

If that button is not provided the same thing is accomplished through
altitude entries in the FMC legs page.

I expect those here more expert in 737 matters will correct me if I'm wrong
on these points, but that is the way I understand it.

Regards,

Pete

[Ray Proudfoot]

Hi Enrico,

I only mentioned it in case it was a factor. I know you have many skills but

mind reading probably isn't amongst them ;-)

New versions being downloaded now and I will try a flight this evening.

Thanks.



"Enrico Schiratti" wrote in message
news:389828.77722@wb.onvix.com...
> Hi Ray,
>
> I am not sure where the panel fits in with this... in any case, please do
> download the current new build I uploaded two days ago to
> www.projectmagenta.com/updates.html
>
> Ciao
>
> Enrico
>
> "Ray Proudfoot" wrote in message
> news:389553.77722@wb.onvix.com...
>> Hi Enrico,
>>
>> LOL! I do have worse things that happen ;-)
>>
>> I'm afraid I can't be specific about a time when it worked but it has
>> definitely worked in the past. I have the 737 BMP loaded but I have the
>> full
>>
>> forward view enabled. i.e. no visible PM panel. I wonder if it's worth
>> trying this with the panel visible? I'll try later and report back.
>>
>> Cheers.
>>
>>
>>
>> "Enrico Schiratti" wrote in message
>> news:389445.77722@wb.onvix.com...
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I will give it a go with that combination... since when is this
dreadful
>>> thing happening to you? Has it worked before on this setup?
>>>
>>> Ciao
>>>
>>> Enrico
>>>
>>> "Ray Proudfoot" wrote in message
>>> news:389328.77722@wb.onvix.com...
>>>> Hi Enrico,
>>>>
>>>> I'm sorry it's so tedious for you. Perhaps if I describe each action
it
>>>> may
>>>>
>>>> help.
>>>>
>>>> 1. I'm cruising at FL350 and still 50 miles from ToD.
>>>> 2. Radar Contact controller orders me down to FL290.
>>>> 3. I dial up 29000 on the Aerosoft MCP (but don't press the white
>>> button).
>>>> 35000 is still displayed on the PFD in magenta.
>>>> 4. I bring up the Desc page on the CDU and press 'Descend Now'. I
would
>>>> expect the aircraft to engage a 1000fpm descent but it doesn't. It
>>>> stubbornly stays at FL350. The only way I can initiate the descent is
> by
>>>> switching to V/S and dialling up a descent rate. Not what I want I'm
>>>> afraid.
>>>>
>>>> I'm running build 435 of the PFD, 371 of the CDU and 405 of the MCP.
> The
>>>> MCP
>>>>
>>>> is running on the FS PC and the PFD and CDU are running on my other PC
>>> via
>>>> WideFS. I fly the PMDG737-700 and use the MCP in 747MCP mode with VNav
>>> Des
>>>> SPD control enabled and Auto V/S enabled. Full 8 Mode ND is also
>> enabled.
>>>>
>>>> I hope that helps.
>>>>
>>>> Cheers.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Enrico Schiratti" wrote in message
>>>> news:389269.77722@wb.onvix.com...
>>>>>> I'm using the Aerosoft MCP. I dial in the lower altitude (but don't
>>>> press
>>>>>> the white altitude knob) and then press Descend Now but the aircraft
>>>>>> refuses
>>>>>>
>>>>>> to descend. Are you using the Aerosoft MCP? I wonder if that might
be
>> a
>>>>>> factor?
>>>>>
>>>>> I am trying all sorts of combinations, including the Aerosoft MCP...
> it
>>>> is
>>>>> rather tedious, I am afraid.
>>>>>
>>>>> Ciao
>>>>>
>>>>> Enrico
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> "Enrico Schiratti" wrote in message
>>>>>> news:389238.77722@wb.onvix.com...
>>>>>>> Hi Ray,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I still can't reproduce the problem here, i.e. I do get the descend
>>> now
>>>>>> as
>>>>>>> it should be... looks like I am stuck trying to observe things so I
>> am
>>>>>>> able
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> to do something about them.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ciao
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Enrico
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Ray Proudfoot" wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:388711.77722@wb.onvix.com...
>>>>>>>> James,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I tried your suggestion but it didn't work. This definitely worked
>> in
>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> past so I'm hoping Enrico can help. Most won't get this problem.
>> It's
>>>>>>> only
>>>>>>>> because I use Radar Contact I need to start down earlier than ToD.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Cheers.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "JAMES WEBSTER" wrote in message
>>>>>>>> news:388601.77722@wb.onvix.com...
>>>>>>>>> Hi guys,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I have seen this as well. Not that often though. I do get a PM
>>> sounds
>>>>>>>>> warning
>>>>>>>>> " Top of descent in 50 miles " up to 100 miles out from the
actual
>>>> CDU
>>>>>>>>> TOD.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> As far as the Descend now function goes I find retarding the
>>>> Throttels
>>>>>>>>> first
>>>>>>>>> and then selecting Descend now works.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> James
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>

[Themis Katakalos]

On 737 after Descent Now is pressed the EXEC button lits. The descent
starts
AFTER pressing the EXEC button.. (Now Descent now initiates the descent
which is wrong for 737NG)

Themis

I'm happy that a solution for the T/D problem has found! I have changed
10-15 private mails with Enrico for this strange problem. (It was posted
public earlier but none had noticed at that time)


----- Original Message -----
From: "Support: Peter Dowson"
To:
Sent: Friday, February 10, 2006 5:28 PM
Subject: Re: Descent and V/S-FLCH issues


> From: "Peter Dowson"
>
> On 2/10/2006 10:14:48 AM, Serge D'hollander wrote:
> >I do not know if this is true
> >only for a B737 operation but
> >it is already an improvement.
>
> I think it is correct for a 737. Once within a certain range (50 miles?)
of the computed TOD I think any reduction of Alt on the MCP should give
rise
to the DESCEND NOW option, and, in any case, if the option is offered it
should most certainly work when selected (no matter which aircraft model, I
should think).
>
> The altitude override button on the MCP (which is an airline option in
any
case on the 737) actually changes the altitude requirement for the next
waypoint so forcing a recomputation of TOD and, usually as a result, an
earlier descent -- though of course it could be a climb and a later TOD!
>
> If that button is not provided the same thing is accomplished through
altitude entries in the FMC legs page.
>
> I expect those here more expert in 737 matters will correct me if I'm
wrong on these points, but that is the way I understand it.
>
> Regards,
>
> Pete
>
>
>
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[Peter Dowson]

On 2/10/2006 2:11:16 PM, Themis Katakalos wrote:
>On 737 after Descent Now is
>pressed the EXEC button lits.
>The descent starts
>AFTER pressing the EXEC
>button.. (Now Descent now
>initiates the descent
>which is wrong for 737NG)

Makes sense, yes. I just said "if the option is offered it
should most certainly work when selected", and you confirm this, with
selection being pressing the DESCEND NOW LSK and then the EXEC.

As I said, I didn't think it needed the (optional) alt intervention button
pressing on the MCP as well -- I always thought that was basically a
short-cut method of changing the actual altitude constraints in the FMC's plan.
Thus its optional nature. Evidently it is different on a 747 though.

Regards,

Pete

[Eddie Armaos]

Btw


I was lucky to be in a 734-400 cockpit from LGAV to LCLK and the captain
explained to me that there is also another way to make the Descent now
option, exept this we discribed and Themis posted just before.

They are dialing a lower altitude in MCP and they just push the Alt
intervention, the result is the same, the a/c starts a descent with -1000
feet/min while is in VNAV mode and descending to capture path.
They just save to move the hand from MCP to CDU and press the DES page,
then
Descent Now option, then EXEC.


Anything you need from real 737-400 I can ask for you or read the manuals I
have.


Enjoy your flights :-)


Eddie Armaos


>
> As I said, I didn't think it needed the (optional) alt
> intervention button pressing on the MCP as well -- I always
> thought that was basically a short-cut method of changing the
> actual altitude constraints in the FMC's plan. Thus its
> optional nature. Evidently it is different on a 747 though.
>
> Regards,
>
> Pete
>

[Ray Proudfoot]

Good news Enrico and all,

The latest available versions resolve this problem. Thanks!



"Enrico Schiratti" wrote in message
news:389828.77722@wb.onvix.com...
> Hi Ray,
>
> I am not sure where the panel fits in with this... in any case, please do
> download the current new build I uploaded two days ago to
> www.projectmagenta.com/updates.html
>
> Ciao
>
> Enrico
>
> "Ray Proudfoot" wrote in message
> news:389553.77722@wb.onvix.com...
>> Hi Enrico,
>>
>> LOL! I do have worse things that happen ;-)
>>
>> I'm afraid I can't be specific about a time when it worked but it has
>> definitely worked in the past. I have the 737 BMP loaded but I have the
>> full
>>
>> forward view enabled. i.e. no visible PM panel. I wonder if it's worth
>> trying this with the panel visible? I'll try later and report back.
>>
>> Cheers.
>>
>>
>>
>> "Enrico Schiratti" wrote in message
>> news:389445.77722@wb.onvix.com...
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I will give it a go with that combination... since when is this
dreadful
>>> thing happening to you? Has it worked before on this setup?
>>>
>>> Ciao
>>>
>>> Enrico
>>>
>>> "Ray Proudfoot" wrote in message
>>> news:389328.77722@wb.onvix.com...
>>>> Hi Enrico,
>>>>
>>>> I'm sorry it's so tedious for you. Perhaps if I describe each action
it
>>>> may
>>>>
>>>> help.
>>>>
>>>> 1. I'm cruising at FL350 and still 50 miles from ToD.
>>>> 2. Radar Contact controller orders me down to FL290.
>>>> 3. I dial up 29000 on the Aerosoft MCP (but don't press the white
>>> button).
>>>> 35000 is still displayed on the PFD in magenta.
>>>> 4. I bring up the Desc page on the CDU and press 'Descend Now'. I
would
>>>> expect the aircraft to engage a 1000fpm descent but it doesn't. It
>>>> stubbornly stays at FL350. The only way I can initiate the descent is
> by
>>>> switching to V/S and dialling up a descent rate. Not what I want I'm
>>>> afraid.
>>>>
>>>> I'm running build 435 of the PFD, 371 of the CDU and 405 of the MCP.
> The
>>>> MCP
>>>>
>>>> is running on the FS PC and the PFD and CDU are running on my other PC
>>> via
>>>> WideFS. I fly the PMDG737-700 and use the MCP in 747MCP mode with VNav
>>> Des
>>>> SPD control enabled and Auto V/S enabled. Full 8 Mode ND is also
>> enabled.
>>>>
>>>> I hope that helps.
>>>>
>>>> Cheers.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Enrico Schiratti" wrote in message
>>>> news:389269.77722@wb.onvix.com...
>>>>>> I'm using the Aerosoft MCP. I dial in the lower altitude (but don't
>>>> press
>>>>>> the white altitude knob) and then press Descend Now but the aircraft
>>>>>> refuses
>>>>>>
>>>>>> to descend. Are you using the Aerosoft MCP? I wonder if that might
be
>> a
>>>>>> factor?
>>>>>
>>>>> I am trying all sorts of combinations, including the Aerosoft MCP...
> it
>>>> is
>>>>> rather tedious, I am afraid.
>>>>>
>>>>> Ciao
>>>>>
>>>>> Enrico
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> "Enrico Schiratti" wrote in message
>>>>>> news:389238.77722@wb.onvix.com...
>>>>>>> Hi Ray,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I still can't reproduce the problem here, i.e. I do get the descend
>>> now
>>>>>> as
>>>>>>> it should be... looks like I am stuck trying to observe things so I
>> am
>>>>>>> able
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> to do something about them.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ciao
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Enrico
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Ray Proudfoot" wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:388711.77722@wb.onvix.com...
>>>>>>>> James,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I tried your suggestion but it didn't work. This definitely worked
>> in
>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> past so I'm hoping Enrico can help. Most won't get this problem.
>> It's
>>>>>>> only
>>>>>>>> because I use Radar Contact I need to start down earlier than ToD.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Cheers.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "JAMES WEBSTER" wrote in message
>>>>>>>> news:388601.77722@wb.onvix.com...
>>>>>>>>> Hi guys,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I have seen this as well. Not that often though. I do get a PM
>>> sounds
>>>>>>>>> warning
>>>>>>>>> " Top of descent in 50 miles " up to 100 miles out from the
actual
>>>> CDU
>>>>>>>>> TOD.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> As far as the Descend now function goes I find retarding the
>>>> Throttels
>>>>>>>>> first
>>>>>>>>> and then selecting Descend now works.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> James
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>

[Michel Vandaele]

Hi Serge,
There is a big difference how a B744 and B737 operates ;)
and a big nightmare for Enrico ;) ;)

Ciao
Michel

"Serge D'hollander" wrote in message
news:389864.77722@wb.onvix.com...
> Hi Enrico,
>
> Just tried the latest CDU update and it works now but not the way Michel
> explained for a B747. After selecting a lower altitude on the MCP, the
> aircraft
> initiate a decend just after hitting the 'Descend now' on the CDU without
> pushing the ALT knob on the MCP.
>
> I do not know if this is true only for a B737 operation but it is already

> an
> improvement.
>
> Thanks,
> Serge.
>

[Themis Katakalos]

I agree that we must not comfused these systems as there operate different.
I don't know if the software needs a reorganisation, by the means of
correcting something and messing up something else.. If the baselines are
correct then the enchancments are much easier...

T/D problem was something that make me lost many hours testing and testing
to see what its wrong with my setup. I remembered that it worked well
months
ago..

Themis


----- Original Message -----
From: "Support: Michel Vandaele"

To:
Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2006 1:58 PM
Subject: Re: Descent and V/S-FLCH issues


> From: "Michel Vandaele"
>
> Hi Serge,
> There is a big difference how a B744 and B737 operates ;)
> and a big nightmare for Enrico ;) ;)
>
> Ciao
> Michel
>
> "Serge D'hollander" wrote in message
> news:389864.77722@wb.onvix.com...
> > Hi Enrico,
> >
> > Just tried the latest CDU update and it works now but not the way
Michel
> > explained for a B747. After selecting a lower altitude on the MCP, the
> > aircraft
> > initiate a decend just after hitting the 'Descend now' on the CDU
without
> > pushing the ALT knob on the MCP.
> >
> > I do not know if this is true only for a B737 operation but it is
already
> > an
> > improvement.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Serge.
> >
>
>
>
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