Garmin G1000 replica help

[lealjay]

Hi everyone , i'm new on this forum and i have the project to build my own G1000 replica , i have already found all the needed pieces but i need one last ,
i can't find that kind of joystick they use , i've never used a real G1000 unit so i don't know how is the real thing but it seems to be a "4 or 8 way hat switch with rotary encoder and push button all in one" , the best i can find is "rotary encoder with push button" or "4 way toggle switch with push button" , if someone here could help me it would be really great , thanks .

[jan_eddh]

Salut!

I have found the Grayhill Series 60C which i purchased at Digikey. They ship from the US and come about 30Euro each.
you can order 4 or 8 way with optical encoder and pushbutton.

They will be delivered on Thursday agw and I can let you know if they are suitable and if they work with Leo Bodnars Card.

Cheers

Jan

[lealjay]

thanks a lot , that's exactly what i want !

[lealjay]

Does anyone knows where i could find cheap LCD screens ? i'm searchin for a 10.4" 800x600 or 1024x768 , i already know earthlcd.com but i would prefer an europe based site , earthlcd ask me $ 223 of shipping cost to ship 2 screens to france !
Their 10.4" screen are $ 299 each , open frame with all boards ; units are expensive , shipping is expensive and i will certainly pay
customs fees (i'm in france) , total $ 891 for 2 screen with 2 x 12v power supply !!

Thanks

[richard.long]

Have you seen this http://cockpitsolid.wordpress.com/. I think they are developing a G1000 system.

[geneb]

FYI, the G1000 uses 1024x768 displays, so 800x600 won't do the job.

g.

[lealjay]

hi , yes i know but what's important it's the size of the screen , 10.4" at 800x600 or 10.4" at 1024x768 it's the same diagonal , it's just that 800x600 will be more blurry , and simkits G1000 replica uses 10.4" 800x600 screens .

[tangbe2]

I am in the works of doing a G1000 Build, here is the 10.4" display I had in mind.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/HDMI-DVI-VGA-Audio-Lcd-control-board-LVDS-TCON-Board-10-4-A104SN03-800-600-Lcd-/201017851670?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2ecd98ff16

[geneb]

I think you're going to have a problem unless the vendor you pick for the software offers a version that's been optimized for an 800x600 screen.

g.

[tangbe2]

I planned on using the FTS1000 software.
http://www.flythissim.com/FTS1000.html
I am going to send them an email and see if there program supports a 800x600 reso.

[tangbe2]

Okay, I have talked to the guys at FTS and they basically said it may work with the 800x600 reso but it would be better if it was 1024x768.

so....

I have found these 2 items on ebay:
LTD104EA5S TOSHIBA 10.4 INCH LCD PANEL (http://www.ebay.com/itm/LTD104EA5S-TOSHIBA-10-4-INCH-LCD-PANEL-/160484646845?pt=US_Laptop_Screens_LCD_Panels&hash=item255da15fbd) <- Its resolution is 1024 x 768 so $108 + $35 shipping
and the LVDS Control board (http://www.ebay.com/itm/LCD-Controller-Board-DIY-Kit-RTD2270L-Driver-LVDS-Inverter-Turn-LCD-to-Monitor-/110925504614?pt=US_Server_Boards&hash=item19d3ace066) for it. (it only has VGA in) $ 29.00

so for a 10.4" display that has a reso of 1024 x 768 would be ~ $172.00

[tangbe2]

Okay, I have talked to the guys at FTS and they basically said it may work with the 800x600 reso but it would be better if it was 1024x768.

so....

I have found these 2 items on ebay:
LTD104EA5S TOSHIBA 10.4 INCH LCD PANEL <- Its resolution is 1024 x 768 so $108 + $35 shipping
http://www.ebay.com/itm/LTD104EA5S-TOSHIBA-10-4-INCH-LCD-PANEL-/160484646845?pt=US_Laptop_Screens_LCD_Panels&hash=item255da15fbd


and the LVDS Control board for it. (it only has VGA in) $ 29.00
http://www.ebay.com/itm/LCD-Controller-Board-DIY-Kit-RTD2270L-Driver-LVDS-Inverter-Turn-LCD-to-Monitor-/110925504614?pt=US_Server_Boards&hash=item19d3ace066

so for a 10.4" display that has a reso of 1024 x 768 would be ~ $172.00

[geneb]

Excellent! Note that you can use the G1000 with only a single display if the software you're using supports "reversionary" mode.

g.

[tangbe2]

No problem,

I plan on doing a full setup, MFD and PFD displays. When my screens come in I plan on building a PCB that goes around it like an U so I can mount all of my buttons, rotaries, etc...

I just wish I had some good cad of pdf files with dimensions for the G1000, I am having a hard time finding that information.

[thunderbird1978]

Hi lealjay!

You mentioned having everything together beside of the screens. May I ask what push buttons you are planning to use. I found it hard to get suiting ones. Thank you for the source and best regards...

Alfred

[thunderbird1978]

Hi again all,

I will also now be starting to build my full g1000 setup. I have already had some prototyping in pannel lasering and engraving. It works pretty good, is cheap and fast - the only thing that is still difficult is how to backlit the panel and the buttons.

Backlit Panel

I was planning to make a flood backlighting, but then it is necessary to cover the panels with 3 layers of paint. I found those guys from Finland here in the forums with a good idea about those light panels:

http://www.ebay.at/itm/151274678204?var=450364090508&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1438.l2649

Will be costly and difficult to reach all spots that need backlighting - but I will give it a try.

The panels are currently being designed in Corel Draw that can be used directly for handing the files to the local owner of a laser cutter. The laser cutter is € 1,20 per minute of lasering - so I will be paying about 100 Euro for the full set of G1000 panels including meterial.

Pics of the prototyping (at that time I was planning a King Air)
932893299330

Screens

According the screens I found interesting information in this forum and mailed with one of the major chinese suppliers (Chinatobby2011). They do not have 1024 resolution 10,4 inch panels. The other source here posted by lealjay with a separte controller is too expensive and unsure if it really works together. I just changed to a 12,1 screen setup. I do think that it really does not endanger the realism of the unit (to my preference) too much and in fact makes handling the unit even more comfortable.

http://www.ebay.at/itm/HDMI-VGA-2AV-Control-board-12-1inch-1024-768-N121X5-LTN121XJ-HT121X01-Lcd-Panel-/170947783291?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item27cd482a7b

The panel dimensions

As I am including the G1000 in a real shell of a Piper Arrow, I am bound to the actual size of the cockpit. I found out that building it in the look and feel of a Beech Baron G58 would suit the real thing 90%. Slightly smaller I know, but still it will be very authentic. This is why I will be taking my own dimensions according to look and feel and not according to real world sizes.
9331 In this picture you see the differences between 10,4 inch and 12,1 inch - in red I checked the total size of the panel to get it still upon the yoke opening and beneath the leather covered glareshield. Looks good to me:)

Here ist the shell to fit:
9332

Buttons

This is the most difficult topic. I think I have investigated here for months - but most of the buttons you buy have round caps or are far too big. So does anybody here know a source where you can find suiting buttons (approx. 6mmx9mm) that would look good? I found an old thread from 2011 here with a guy that has built this:
9333 anyone has an idea what buttons he took?

So at this point I will be planning to laser them myself and put some tactile switches behind them. Also here I would be interested what you recommend. The apem switches for example are that much expensive (5 to 7 Euros each).. maybe there is something cheaper.

So far for the beginning. I would be really happy to stay in touch with you other G1000 builders to share experience.

Best, Alfred