IFly 737NG with PM using FSX

[Pippo]

Hi, we are allways looking for good 737's to fly in FSX with PM. I think Ive found another good package!
I got the IFly 737NG for FS9 and installed it in FSX easily enough, taking out the guages and panels of course.
It flys very realistically as far as I can tell using the PM 737 GC, MCP, PMSYSTEMS (Demo) .
You also get a whole stack of PDF Operations documents, checklists etc. all based on pucker Boeing reference manuals.
I saw the IFly review in the April / May PC Pilot Mag and they rate it as the best FS9 737NG yet.
I would be interested to know if anybody else has picked this up and using with PM either in FS9 or FSX.
There is a proper FSX release due some time from IFly, but not yet!

Mike (aka "Pippo"

[gandofalcon]

I got the IFly 737NG for FS9 and installed it in FSX easily enough, taking out the guages and panels of course.
Hi, how do you it?, When I remove the panel landing gear it disappears
thanks you.:sad:

[Pippo]

I just use the logic and let PM show what I want but If you want to see the externals, gear cabin etc. you need to leave in everything that was installed for FS9 in these folders : "Aircraft" but copy the contents of this folder into the "airplanes" folder in FSX (under Simbojects), "Effects", "Flights", "Ifly"(copied to the root of the FSX folder)
You need to take the Gauges out of the "panel.cfg" file for any of the aircraft you want to fly in FSX.
This is the "panel.cfg" file I use for the 737NG-700 wide panel view when I want the extras;

[Window Titles]

Window00=Captain's VFR Panel

[VIEWS]
VIEW_FORWARD_WINDOWS=MAIN_PANEL
VIEW_FORWARD_DIR=3.0, 0.0, 0.0





[Window00]
background_color=0,0,0
size_mm=1680,1050
position=7
visible=1
ident=10155
window_size=1,1
zorder=1





[Color]
Day=255,255,255
Night=0,0,0
Luminous=0,0,0


[Default View]
X=0
Y=0
SIZE_X=8192
SIZE_Y=3500

[Window01]
window_pos=0.511719,0.000000
window_size=0.488281,0.488281
visible=1
ident=15500
zorder=99
[Window02]
position=0
window_size=0.078125,0.039063
visible=1
ident=15000
zorder=100


Regards

[Thunder175]

OFF-TOPIC:

Just out of curiosity how do the flight dynamics compare with the PMDG? I've been using the PMDG 737NG for years now but was wondering if this new iFLY is THAT much better.

[bravolima]

Probably I should have started a new threat, called FSX Ifly 737NG ,FSX and PM-Installation in a home-cockpit. But I try this one, perhaps I can find some experts here. According Pippo´s suggestion I deleted all gauge files in tht panel.cfg. and in the wide-panel.cfg (In the new FSX Ifly 737 NG there are two options, the normal and the wide-panel. Wide-panel gives on a three monitor setting a much better view). At this stage, I don´t see any flaps moving and I have no undercarriage. All other things work fine so far in the MCP-mode, detailed testing of the flightmodel in VNAV and approach-modus are ahead. Is anybody around installing Ifly 737 FSX in his PM-setting and has advanced insights in the panel.cfg?

regards

Bernhard (LSZH)

[Jan Pemöller]

eI have tried today the IFLY with FSX and found out that the engines are not strong enough to climb to FL 320 with normal settings.
And you can glide with idle and speed of 200 very very long ... I think if we delete alle gauges the engine logic is wrong.
Other point is the sound ...

[bravolima]

I hadn´t the time to look at the performance in detail. Beside the mentioned outside topic, I found the behaviour of the FD seems more stable as within my actual setting with a Posky model. I will have a look to at the performance side, too. Sounds can be changed. I use a commercial package. But first I´d like to have it installed and configured for my settings.

regards

BTW: I´m in HH in two weeks, chance to meet?


Bernhard (LSZH)

[Potrohkocsonya]

Hi,

Although I never tried the FS9 version, so I have no idea about that, it seems to solve the disappearing gear problem in the FSX version is quite simple.
Seems the gear is connected to the logic part so needs some gauges to be there.
Use this panel.cfg setting and you will get the gear back:

[Window Titles]
Window00=Dummp Panel
Window01=Captain's VFR Panel

[VIEWS]
VIEW_FORWARD_WINDOWS=MAIN_PANEL
VIEW_FORWARD_DIR=3.0, 0.0, 0.0

[Window00]
background_color=0,0,0
size_mm=1680,1050
position=6
visible=1
ident=MAIN_PANEL
zorder=0

gauge00=iFly737-800!System, 0, 0,32,32,WIDE
gauge01=iFly737-800!VC, 32, 0,32,32,NORMAL

[Window01]
background_color=0,0,0
size_mm=1680,1050
position=7
visible=1
ident=10155
window_size=1,1
zorder=1

gauge07=iFly737-800!Gear_CAPT,1285,578,90,471

[VCockpit01]
size_mm=1024,1024
pixel_size=1024,1024
texture=$Gauge_01
background_color=0,0,0

gauge00=iFly737-800!System, 993, 0,32,32,WIDE VC

[Color]
Day=255,255,255
Night=0,0,0
Luminous=0,0,0

[Default View]
X=0
Y=0
SIZE_X=8192
SIZE_Y=3500

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------

Frankly I'm not really satisfied with the flight model, it is too easy to fly, climbs too easy to some thousands of feet, then it slows down. Flaps are moving to the max extend too quickly, EGT is always in the skies with the model and the rudders are almost ineffective in the air.
But this is the first model I tried which is very stable and predictable while turning on the ground with the tiller.

Potroh

[bravolima]

Hello Potroh,

the outside view and flaps/steering and gear is now working. But I was unable to start the engines now. Is there any chance to combine the Ifly 737 FSX with the default MS panel o fthe B737? This would suite best for me.
Regardîng the performance, usually modifying the drag in the aircraft.cfg and some other parameters might bring better result.
But first I want to get the plane from the ground....

regards and thanks again

Bernhard (LSZH)

[Potrohkocsonya]

Is there any chance to combine the Ifly 737 FSX with the default MS panel o fthe B737?

Bernhard,

For sure.
If your problem is the engine only, simply copy the
gaugexx=B737_800!overhead_popup, 0, 0
gauge from the default 737 to the panel, preferably to the [Window00] section, or just copy the entire [Window04] section.

regards
Potroh

[bravolima]

Hello Potroh,

below is the version whiched solved all my problems. The Window section 4 from the default panel was not necessary. As you see, only view section and default views were used in my former prefered 737 acft. It was a modified POSKY 737 for FSX.

Regarding the performance of the IFly 737 FSX, if you look at the Boeing performance tables: with 60t ZFW, few tons fuel, 60% N2 you should be able to stabilize a horizontal flight at 5000ft with a pitch up of 3°. I tested it, only a few trim actions and it worked fine. Most simmers forget that the 737NG is a overpowered can of beer.....
I was told in normal operation they reduce start power to minimum CLB1. Full trust take off is absolutely rare.

Once again, thank you very much for your help. I have now few hours work ahead. Sound, lights, and call outs have to be configured.

regards

Bernhard (LSZH)




[VIEWS]
VIEW_FORWARD_WINDOWS=MAIN_PANEL,GPS_PANEL,THROTTLE_PANEL,OVERHEAD_PANEL
VIEW_FORWARD_DIR=-1.000, 0.000, 0.000
[VIEWS]
VIEW_FORWARD_WINDOWS=MAIN_PANEL
VIEW_FORWARD_DIR=3.0, 0.0, 0.0

[Window00]
background_color=0,0,0
size_mm=1680,1050
position=6
visible=1
ident=MAIN_PANEL
zorder=0

gauge00=iFly737-800!System, 0, 0,32,32,WIDE
gauge01=iFly737-800!VC, 32, 0,32,32,NORMAL

[Window01]
background_color=0,0,0
size_mm=1680,1050
position=7
visible=1
ident=10155
window_size=1,1
zorder=1

gauge07=iFly737-800!Gear_CAPT,1285,578,90,471

[VCockpit01]
size_mm=1024,1024
pixel_size=1024,1024
texture=$Gauge_01
background_color=0,0,0

gauge00=iFly737-800!System, 993, 0,32,32,WIDE VC

[Default View]
X=0
Y=0
SIZE_X=8192
SIZE_Y=3600
[Color]
Day=255,255,255
Night=255,255,255

[bravolima]

Sorry friends,

I must admit, calling problems solved was too fast. My proposed setting works only when selecting the Ifly 737 from a Acft with running engines. Even when I copy the section Windows 4 into the panel.cfg, Ifly 737 won´t start. Beside this, I realized some malfunctions regarding the MCP. Next I will do some test with saving different modes of the original Ifly 737 like, cold & dark, before engine start, then do the panel modification and so on.

Sorry and regards

Bernhard (LSZH)

[Pierre24]

Hi Bernhard, Potroh,
thank you for your great job! I am also very interested!
I await your news.
Best regards

Pierre

[Potrohkocsonya]

I am also very interested!
I await your news.

Hi Pierre,

Frankly, after some further experiments, I must say that I'm not interested at all.
The flight model is much worse than the old PMDG FS9 model, which I use for years, with some very slight modifications and it is better than any other I came across.
I'm curious how the new NGX will do in this regards, although we may fear that they also combined the basic systems with gauges, so it might not work easily.

regards
Potroh

[oal331]

Hi Pierre,

Frankly, after some further experiments, I must say that I'm not interested at all.
The flight model is much worse than the old PMDG FS9 model, which I use for years, with some very slight modifications and it is better than any other I came across.
I'm curious how the new NGX will do in this regards, although we may fear that they also combined the basic systems with gauges, so it might not work easily.

regards
Potroh

I use iFly 737 for FSX (at the moment without PM) and i must say that i don't agree with your opinion.
iFly's 737-800 has the best and smooth taxi i ever saw and i didn't realize any problems during the flight.
Were did you find the problems?

regards

Eddie

[Potrohkocsonya]

iFly's 737-800 has the best and smooth taxi i ever saw and i didn't realize any problems during the flight.

Hi,

You are right, smooth taxi. I also liked that.
The slight problem is that the plane starts moving when you apply 50% (!!!) power and regardless if you throttle back afterwards, it simply doesn't want to stop.
I did a 1.2 km straight taxi where the plane started at about 20 kts and after a km it still moved 9 kts without power.

The N2 table is wrong, whenever you climb it is either in or around the yellow mark and descend is sort of similar to taxi: namely it behaves like a glider.

regards
Potroh

[Anderson/SBSP]

Hello, someone has already corrected the file "TYPES" in the CDU folder for use with IFLY for FSX?

This is my actual file for 737-700, but i have some problems about egt.

;Configuration file for Project Magenta Software
;Created by Steve Reyling - sreyl19368@aol.com
;Updated 25 May, 2006
;
;Version 4
;
;737-700 with CFM56-7B24 Engines

TOGAPitch=13
N1ref = 92.3
NetWeight= 82900 ;Operating Empty Weight (OEW)
Payload = 23000 ;Get values from aircraft.cfg
Fuelmax = 46063
FFFactor= 1
FuelFactor=1
FFMax= 11
AircraftType = B737-700
Engines=CFM56-7B24
EnginesRate=23.8K
N1Init=4.3
N1Stable=20
N2Stable=59
N1StartupDelay=23
N2StartupDelay=55
radioalt=8
TrimMin=2.1
TrimMax=8.75
TrimScaleMax=10
TrimScaleMin=-10

;highest speed for gear extraction
vle=270
mle=.84

flppos=0
flpset=0
vmin=vref40+50
vret=0
vext=vref40+70
vmax=340

flppos=1
flpset=1
vmin=vref40+70
vret=vref40+50
vext=vref40+50
vmax=250

flppos=2
flpset=2
vmin=vref40+30
vret=vref40+50
vext=vref40+50
vmax=250

flppos=5
flpset=5
vmin=vref40+20
vret=vref40+30
vext=vref40+30
vmax=250

flppos=10
flpset=10
vmin=vref40+20
vret=vref40+30
vext=vref40+30
vmax=210

flppos=15
flpset=15
vmin=vref40+10
vret=vref40+20
vext=vref40+20
vmax=195

flppos=25
flpset=25
vmin=vref40
vret=vref40+10
vext=vref40+10
vmax=170

flppos=30
flpset=30
vmin=120
vret=0
vext=0
vmax=165

flppos=40
flpset=40
vmin=120
vret=0
vext=0
vmax=156

vss=0
80000 129
85000 133
90000 137
95000 141
100000 144
105000 149
110000 152
115000 154
120000 157
125000 161
130000 165
135000 168
140000 172
145000 174
150000 177
155000 179
160000 182
165000 184
170000 187
vssend

vss=30
80000 89
85000 92
90000 95
95000 97
100000 100
105000 103
110000 105
115000 107
120000 110
125000 112
130000 114
135000 116
140000 118
145000 120
150000 122
155000 124
160000 126
165000 128
170000 130
vssend

vss=1
vss30 1.39
vssend

vss=2
vss30 1.32
vssend

vss=5
vss30 1.26
vssend

vss=10
vss30 1.19
vssend

vss=15
vss30 1.11
vssend

vss=25
vss30 1.07
vssend

vss=40
vss30 0.985
vssend

;v1,vr,v2 for flaps 1
vr=1
90000 99 101 114
100000 106 108 120
110000 113 115 126
120000 120 122 132
130000 126 128 137
140000 132 135 142
150000 138 140 147
160000 143 146 152
vrend

;v1,vr,v2 for flaps 5
vr=5
90000 96 98 111
100000 103 106 117
110000 110 113 123
120000 117 119 129
130000 123 126 134
140000 129 132 139
150000 135 137 144
160000 140 142 148
vrend

;v1,vr,v2 for flaps 15
vr=15
90000 93 95 107
100000 100 101 113
110000 106 107 117
120000 112 113 122
130000 117 118 127
140000 123 123 131
150000 128 128 135
160000 132 132 138
vrend

;vref for flaps 15
vref=15
90000 115
100000 121
110000 127
120000 133
130000 139
140000 145
150000 150
160000 155
170000 159
vrefend

;vref for flaps 30
vref=30
90000 111
100000 117
110000 123
120000 129
130000 134
140000 140
150000 144
160000 149
170000 153
vrefend

;vref for flaps 40
vref=40
90000 108
100000 114
110000 120
120000 126
130000 132
140000 137
150000 142
160000 147
170000 151
vrefend

n1totable
C 0 1000 2000 3000 4000 5000 6000 7000 8000 9000
60 91.2 91.2 91.1 91.0 91.1 91.2 91.2 91.0 91.2 91.3
54 92.1 92.1 92.0 92.0 92.0 92.0 92.0 91.9 91.9 91.5
49 93.0 93.0 93.0 92.9 92.9 92.9 92.9 92.8 92.7 92.4
43 93.9 93.9 93.8 93.8 93.8 93.7 93.7 93.7 93.6 93.4
38 94.8 94.7 94.7 94.7 94.6 94.6 94.5 94.5 94.4 94.3
32 95.7 95,7 95.7 95.6 95.6 95.5 95.4 95.4 95.3 95.2
27 95.6 96.1 96.4 96.4 96.4 96.4 96.3 96.2 96.2 96.1
21 94.8 95.3 95.8 96.4 97.0 97.4 97.3 97.2 97.1 97.1
16 93.9 94.4 95.0 95.6 96.2 96.9 97.6 98.3 98.4 98.4
10 93.0 93.6 94.1 94.7 95.3 96.0 96.7 97.4 98.2 99.1
4 92.2 92.7 93.2 93.8 94.4 95.1 95.8 96.6 97.4 98.3
-1 91.3 91.8 92.3 92.9 93.5 94.3 94.9 95.7 96.5 97.4
-7 90.4 90.9 91.4 92.0 92.6 93.4 94.0 94.8 95.6 96.6
-12 89.5 90.0 90.5 91.1 91.7 92.5 93.1 93.9 94.7 95.7
-18 88.5 89.1 89.6 90.2 90.8 91.5 92.2 93.0 93.8 94.8
-23 87.6 88.1 88.6 89.3 89.9 90.6 91.3 92.1 92.9 94.0
-29 86.7 87.2 87.7 88.3 89.0 89.7 90.4 91.2 92.0 93.1
-34 85.7 86.2 86.7 87.4 88.0 88.7 89.4 90.2 91.1 92.2
-40 84.8 85.3 85.8 86.4 87.0 87.8 88.5 89.3 90.1 91.2
-46 83.8 84.3 84.8 85.4 86.1 86.8 87.5 88.3 89.2 90.3
end

n1clbtable
C 0 5000 10000 15000 20000 25000 30000 35000 37000 41000
60 89.4 89.7 89.7 89.8 89.6 91.4 93.0 94.4 94.5 92.8
55 90.5 90.5 90.7 90.0 90.8 92.4 93.7 93.8 92.1 90.2
50 90.0 91.2 91.3 91.5 91.0 90.8 91.7 93.0 93.1 91.4
45 91.6 91.9 92.1 92.3 91.9 91.7 91.7 92.3 92.4 90.7
40 92.4 92.6 92.9 93.1 92.7 92.5 92.5 91.6 91.7 90.0
35 93.3 93.6 93.8 93.6 93.3 93.3 92.4 91.7 90.7 92.9
30 92.2 94.1 94.3 94.6 94.4 94.1 94.0 93.2 92.6 91.1
25 91.5 94.1 95.0 95.2 95.2 94.8 94.7 94.0 93.4 92.1
20 90.7 93.3 95.8 96.0 95.9 95.6 95.4 94.7 94.2 93.0
15 90.0 92.5 95.2 96.8 96.7 96.3 96.1 95.5 95.0 94.0
10 89.2 91.8 94.4 97.1 97.6 97.0 96.7 96.2 95.8 94.9
5 88.4 91.0 93.6 96.3 98.5 97.9 97.4 97.0 96.6 95.8
0 87.7 90.2 92.8 95.5 97.9 99.0 98.4 97.8 97.5 96.7
-5 86.9 89.4 92.0 94.7 97.2 98.9 99.4 98.6 98.3 97.7
-10 86.1 88.6 91.2 93.9 96.4 98.1 99.7 99.5 99.2 98.7
-15 85.3 87.8 90.3 93.1 95.6 97.4 98.9 100.5 100.1 99.7
-20 84.5 87.0 89.5 92.3 94.8 96.6 98.1 100.2 100.7 100.3
-25 83.7 86.1 88.7 91.4 94.1 95.8 97.3 99.3 99.9 99.5
-30 92.9 85.3 87.8 90.6 93.3 95.0 96.5 98.5 99.0 98.7
-35 82.0 84.5 87.0 89.8 92.4 94.1 95.6 97.6 98.2 97.8
-40 81.2 83.6 86.1 88.9 91.6 93.3 94.8 96.8 97.3 96.9
end

; Climb 1 is 3% reduction in %N1 to 10,000 feet, increasing to full climb at 15,000 feet.
CLB1-reduction
3, 10000, 15000

; Climb 2 is 6% reduction in N1 to 5,000 feet, increasing to full climb at 15,000 feet.
CLB2-reduction
6, 5000, 15000

; cost index is truly based on weight, altitude, and wind.
; Values below are based on 140,000 lbs, 37,000 feet, and no wind.
costindex
0 284/.758 284/.758 250/.737 3.0
30 298/.782 298/.782 273/.777 3.1
100 315/.798 315/.797 315/.785 3.1
200 315/.801 315/.798 315/.785 3.2
500 315/.803 315/.803 315/.785 3.2
end
costindexinterpolated = on

ASPD1=ARM
CSPD1=1
ASPD2=N1
ASPD3=MCP SPD
ASPD4=RETARD
ASPD5=THR HLD
ASPD6=GA
ASPD7=FMC SPD
ASPD9=FMC SPD
AHDG1=HDG SEL
AHDG2=VOR/LOC
CHDG2=1
AHDG3=VOR/LOC
AHDG4=VOR/LOC
AHDG5=VOR/LOC
CHDG5=1
AHDG8=LNAV
AALT1=G/S
AALT2=ALT HOLD
AALT3=MCP SPD
AALT4=V/S
AALT5=ALT ACQ
AALT6=G/S
CALT6=1
AALT7=TO/GA
AALT8=TO/GA
AALT9=VNAV SPD
AALT10=VNAV PTH
AALT11=ALT HOLD
ACMD1=CMD
ACMD2=FD
ACMD3=CMD
ACMD4=CMD
ACMD5=NO AUTOLAND

;untested/unverified data
;OilPressMin=20
;OilPressMax=50
;OilTempMax=120

[mvc340]

good news

I made some fixes in the merge with prosim

now:

the throttle works smooth
we can turn on the engines
But now i can not extend the gear up or down. If i copy the line of the gear, the throttle moves yerky
well, we are getting fordware.

copy the new panel.cfg and try

[VIEWS]
VIEW_FORWARD_WINDOWS=MAIN_PANEL,GPS_PANEL,THROTTLE_PANEL,OVERHEAD_PANEL
VIEW_FORWARD_DIR=-1.000, 0.000, 0.000
[VIEWS]
VIEW_FORWARD_WINDOWS=MAIN_PANEL
VIEW_FORWARD_DIR=3.0, 0.0, 0.0

[Window00]
background_color=0,0,0
size_mm=1680,1050
position=6
visible=1
ident=MAIN_PANEL
zorder=0

gauge00=iFly737-800!System, 0, 0,32,32,WIDE
gauge01=iFly737-800!VC, 32, 0,32,32,NORMAL

[Window01]
background_color=0,0,0
size_mm=1680,1050
position=7
visible=1
ident=10155
window_size=1,1
zorder=1

gauge07=iFly737-800!Gear_CAPT,1285,578,90,471

[VCockpit01]
size_mm=1024,1024
pixel_size=1024,1024
texture=$Gauge_01
background_color=0,0,0

gauge00=iFly737-800!System, 993, 0,32,32,WIDE VC

[Default View]
X=0
Y=0
SIZE_X=8192
SIZE_Y=3600
[Color]
Day=255,255,255
Night=255,255,255

[mvc340]

Dear friend s
i would like to share with you what i did:

1- i copy the default panel of 737 fs and add some gauges and the result was:
-bad autothrottle
-flaps working, gear working
-very good flight dinamics
-not able to swith on the engines

2- if i keep away the system gauge,s everything is smooth but no gear and no flaps

3- i tried to merge the pmdg 737 that i use in fsx with IFL737.
what i did is to copy the aircraft.cfg and paste in the pmdg one.
the plane fly, but not as good as IFLY.
then i copy and rename the air file but the plane does not reach the level of realism.
i´m completely sure that is possible to merge it, that is just use the flight model.
what i don´t know is if the flight model is also in the AIR file.

Other solution that i´m looking is to replace the gauge file fo other used in pmdg and rename it with the same name that appear in IFLY.
what do you think about that?

miguel

europa345@hotmail.com

[Jan Pemöller]

Hi guys,
there will be probably an official version for cockpitbuilders.
More infos for this in two weeks, an ifly team-member told me!
If I have new Infos I will post it here.
BR
Jan

[drum4no1]

If this is true please keep us informed.. With the PMDG NGX getting closer I now have a couple of choices

[Nick1150]

Interesting...

I have already bought the iFly for FSX and I have the same problems as the gentemen above... I am flying the default 737-800 from FSX, not that I am not happy with it, but I would be interested in a better alternative. So if there is a version for home cockpit builders, I would buy it of course ;)