Windows 7 is cack!

[richard hutchinson]

Hi all

Got my eagerly awaited Windows 7 Cd yesterday. Prepared everything ready to install, and lo and behold .....

get a mesage saying "Gathering information" and that's it.

Damn thing sits there and does nothing. Maybe that's why one of the head designers resigned on the day of release.

I will now run my quad on two cores and half speed on XP rather than give MS any more money - absolute robbers! Getting my money back!

Beware of anything that has Micro$haft on the box guys!

Regards
Richard

[Peter Dowson]

get a mesage saying "Gathering information" and that's it.

Damn thing sits there and does nothing.

How long did you wait? With the Beta and RC releases, it varied enormously -- from less than 5 minutes on one system to over three hours on another.

But it is worth it! I'd never go back! I've got three RC Win7 Ultimate 64 bit setups running now, and with one of them I recently changed the motherboard, processor and memory, re-booted -- Win7 had it all sorted withing two minutes, with one re-boot included. Phenomenal! I remember the days when changing almost any little thing caused real headaches.

The attractiveness, efficiency and sheer good nature of Win7 compared with Vista for sure, and even XP, is well worth any initial wait for installation in my opinion. It is without doubt, in my mind, the best piece of software Microsoft have ever come up with, by far!

Regards

Pete

[No Longer Active]

I am still a die hard lover of Windows XP, in my view nothing will ever come closer to the ease and simplicity of XP, although MAC OSX5 is without a doubt the best of the best....

Just my view.....

I haven't even sussed out vista yet....

All the best...thanks for letting me know not to upgrade my system to win7...

I thought win7 was the ultimate.....

Obviously not.....

[gokhotit]

What you do is, get W7 install going, then go out to dinner, or a movie (or both). Come back, and it should be done, or close to it.

[David Withers]

i Know what you mean Alex....xp forever. pretty keen to try 7 but. if Pete recommend it then it must be good.
dave

[PittsburghLever]

Beware of anything that has Micro$haft on the box guys!

Out of curiosity, what sim do you fly?

[W9XE/Project777]

I am still a die hard lover of Windows XP, in my view nothing will ever come closer to the ease and simplicity of XP, although MAC OSX5 is without a doubt the best of the best....


Alex

I have to agree about OS-X. I recently installed Snow Leopard on my Mac Pro as well as Logic Pro 9 Suite. Upgrading a Mac to a new OS is far more efficient in time and install. Basic insert DVD in drive click install and walk away. About an hour later it's done. Logic was a little different, 9 DVD's and 3-4 hours later it's done.

As far as Windows 7 from what I read there is issues if you want to go for the upgrade from XP. You have to backup all you stuff because is a new format to install. Not sure why would be. Also would need to upgrade to Vista. Not sure what the truth out there is on the upgrade but for me I would start with a clean drive and start from scratch to see the real benifits are. I do not use Vista but have had to troubleshoot it for family and friends and I do hope Win 7 is a major improvement.

[autocadplease]

Out of curiosity, what sim do you fly?

LOL:lol::lol::lol:

[No Longer Active]

Just using Fs9.....why fix what's not broke.....!

As for logic, I fully understand the complete and utter nightmare of the whole DVD installation process, I got peed off big time trying to install that so I just installed the application first and installed the VST plugins, didn't bother with the audio content for a long time....

I spend more time pratting about on PhotoBooth then I do logic now....I love the photo mashups.....lifts you up when you have had a bad day lol...always makes me laugh....

What does windows do to cheer you up.....

Tells you you need to upgrade this, upgrade that....how boring lol!

[jeehell]

Well for me it took 30 minutes from disc insertion to FSX installation :D
XP took me one full day to install, because I could not get my RAID drivers to work since I have no floppy drive :x
IMHO, do not bother to try an upgrade, just back up data, format and install a fresh win 7.

[Sean Nixon]

Why wouldn't you take the opportunity to do a clean install, rather than upgrade? That way you'll really appreciate your new OS.

I've been running Win7 for about 6 months, and it's easily the best MS OS yet. And that's on my lowly P4.

[No Longer Active]

Agree with Nixon there.....

Full Installs are much better, just insert the disk, reboot, select drive, wipe all then install on the C:/ directory......

Upgrades are just asking for problems...

With a full install atleast you are loading everything from scratch, no room for errors, missing files, etc....

Win7 on a P4?

Wouldn't it run much more efficiently/ maiximise full system potential on a multicore?

Kind Regards.

Alex

[Deesystems]

Xp to win 7 walk through.

http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/ee150430.aspx?ITPID=technet


Dee

[No Longer Active]

Cheers Dee....

This reminds me of what I had to learn when studying for my MCSA with server 2003 and exchange server lol!

[fweinrebe]

From Vista you can upgrade to Windows 7, but from any other OS including Windows 7 RC1 it will be a new installation.

[Spatate]

Hi all

Got my eagerly awaited Windows 7 Cd yesterday. Prepared everything ready to install, and lo and behold .....

get a mesage saying "Gathering information" and that's it.

Damn thing sits there and does nothing. Maybe that's why one of the head designers resigned on the day of release.

I will now run my quad on two cores and half speed on XP rather than give MS any more money - absolute robbers! Getting my money back!

Beware of anything that has Micro$haft on the box guys!

Regards
Richard

Windows is like the FORCE!! as Yoda said to luke... PATIENCE is what you need, not strenght! win7 may take severial hours gathering info.. let it be! it all depends on the pc configuration and what's on it!!

[Sean Nixon]

Win7 on a P4?

Wouldn't it run much more efficiently/ maiximise full system potential on a multicore?


Probably, but I don't have one! :wink:

[Matt Olieman]

I love Win 7, clean install is the way to go, buy a second drive if you want to make sure you keep everything and put Win 7 on the new drive. That's what I did, I'm slowly migrating all my software over to Win7.

I have no regrets and love the speed of this OS.

My two cents worth :) :) :)

Matt Olieman

[richard hutchinson]

Well it is installed and having examined it's workings we have ALL been totally duped by Steve Bulmer! Windows 7 is nothing more than a glorified service pack to Vista! If you look at the code you will find I am right. This is NOT a new OS at all like we were promised. We have all wasted our money. There's nothing new really anywhere in the code apart from the indexing has been removed and it still will not support multiple video cards.

It has screwed up my new installation sof FSX. Tonight I had a 767 that managed somehow to climb at 22,000 ft/min, the gauges were going beserk and it stalled at at 58,00ft! Touch the rudder and the engines spool up, put flaps down - engines spool up to 160% (goes right off the gauge). These were all calibrated properly. FSUPIC (registered) installed - everything clean.

WINDOWZE 7 is absolute rubbish - trust me. Vista with a few pretties added. No increase in frame rate, in fact worse than Vista was.

So guys, unless someone has a magic answer, my entire full cockpit goes up for sale - I am giving it up! Don't want the hassle anymore so watch out on ebay folks! Switching to Linux and dumping fsx and anything to do with Micro$haft.

See you

[No Longer Active]

Switching to Linux

Good move and bullet proof....

Try X-Plane on an Quad on an Intel Mac running OSX5 then you will know what speed is all about, infact when you get you mac install windows xp on it using BootCamp which comes with Leopard (OSX5), have the best of both worlds (but mac osx5 will provide you the best world)...

[Sean Nixon]

Sounds like your PC is full of rubbish to me. Do yourself a favour and do a clean install.

[PittsburghLever]

you look at the code you will find I am right. This is NOT a new OS at all like we were promised.

You have seen the code, eh? Microsoft has really fooled us all, eh?

The only thing you really need is to blame Microsoft (and by the way, his name is Ballmer -- I am guessing you probably didn't know that) for the "faked" TV pictures from the moon.

Whether or not you like Microsoft I really don't care. I for one was ready to help out, but with this attitude, you're on your own from my perspective.


my entire full cockpit goes up for sale - I am giving it up!

Probably a good idea. Take up knitting...

[TasKiNG]

Windows 7 is not perfect ( i'm running 64 bit Ultimate ). i.e It would not let me set a resolution of 1680x1050 even with the latest drivers and some scenery would not load without using win 98 compatibility mode.
But with some patience and help from various forums these problems were resolved and it is now working very well with FSX and seems really stable.

Had to laugh that because of your windows problms you were going to install Linux. I have been using Linux for years now and agree its a great operating system but think you will struggle with it if you cant get windows 7 installed.

To conclude: Windows 7 is a great upgrade and seems as stable and responsive as the WinXP 64 bit I was running before with the added bonus that I can now use DirectX 10 :)

[richard hutchinson]

Ok folks

Let me explain

The quad core which was running FSX had a brand new clean install. Everything was loaded properly. There is nothing on this PC other than:

FSX
FSupic (registered)
Serial FP2 for VR insight gear
VOX atc
FSXpand v 5.8
Level D 767 + repaint Manager


That's all that is on it. Surely folks can see that this is so frustrating and disappointing after I had everything all working properly (after a couple of months sorting problems with networks etc). And yes, I can get at the code and can assure you all Win 7 is no more than a service pack (expensive one too) to Vista. If anyone is getting better frame rates it won't be because of Win 7.

Richard

[richard hutchinson]

[QUOTE=PittsburghLever;91663]You have seen the code, eh? Microsoft has really fooled us all, eh?

We have Microsoft in Cambridge near me and I have many friends there, so please dont patronise me when I have genuinely seen this code and it is 98% Vista. I am just telling as is.

Regards
Richard

[TasKiNG]

[QUOTE=PittsburghLever;91663]I have genuinely seen this code and it is 98% Vista. I am just telling as is.

There are over 50 Million lines of code. That is a lot of code to compare. Could you please tell us which bits have been changed. ;)

[richard hutchinson]

[QUOTE=richard hutchinson;91671]

There are over 50 Million lines of code. That is a lot of code to compare. Could you please tell us which bits have been changed. ;)

Hi

I don't really want to get dragged into this. If you don't wish to believe what I am saying then I respect your opinion, but please respect mine too. There are many comparator programs for code assembly. Try it for yourself. Windows 7 is clearly marked in the code as to which part is which in *rem* statements.

If you are happy with it then I am pleased for you - I am not.

Regards
Richard

[TasKiNG]

I didn't actually say I didn't believe you and with a thread title of "Windows 7 is Cack!" then you can expect a little sarcasm from users who really like it and have found it to be a lot better than Vista.
If you do have some insider knowlege of the Improvements / additions that have gone into writing Windows 7 then I am genuinely interested to know what they are.

Cheers

[PittsburghLever]

so please dont patronise me

I am not. You do that all by yourself. You honestly expect me to believe that your friends in Microsoft in Cambridge are risking their jobs by showing you source code for Windows7? I am just wondering what your friends are doing at Microsoft in Cambridge.

I personally don't think anybody is disrespecting your opinion -- I think people are disrespecting your stated facts. When I read statements like this:


There are many comparator programs for code assembly. Try it for yourself. Windows 7 is clearly marked in the code as to which part is which in *rem* statements.

I am wondering what on earth you're talking about: What exactly is it you have and want us to compare?

But, then again, you could be right. I think you should go with another OS, another flight simulator, maybe even scrap all that says Microsoft on it. Report back, please, when you have things working as smoothly as with Window7 and FSX.

[jeehell]

As a developper myself, I truly wonder how come someone who can understand/write assembly code cannot get win7 to work correctly, no offense meant... but it's actually the easier installation for an MS OS since, well since maybe DOS when you only had to boot from a floppy...

[Ronson2k9]

Computers are complex machines. There are millions of them and perhaps thousands with different hardware configurations. Not every configuration is going to be the be all and end all of that and the OS has to deal with all these differences and work beautifully everytime. As the software adapts to each system set up.

So in that instance it's like rolling 1000 dice expecting to have 80-90% all turn up with the same number.

For some of the people out there that will be the case and from what I've read it could very well be true that Win7 is an update not upgrade from Vista. As it now is working on all the cylinders of the PC surely some things can't be perfect but better. Even still. It's now having to contend with the older software working in the new OS and newest hardware working in the new OS.

Just like every other time you have updated/upgraded there will be some settling that has to be done to get everything working as it was when you had WinXP/Vista so why would this be any different.

I would go back to the beginning and work through it step by step. Contact the writers of the software you wish to use and see what has to be done to get it working. You aren't the only one with that software so there has to be some that have been in your spot before. Frustration is the first response to be sure but I"m thinking the next step is trying to figure out what you need to do to get it working.

Do the diagnostics on your situation and work through it. Make a note of the parts of the sim install that are working and then make a note of the error's that occur when the other parts fail. Contact the vender's of that software with that info and see what they have to say.

We have all been through this before either the new sim isn't fully working with the new OS or the new OS isn't fully working with the old sim. If everything was perfect on WinXP or VIsta what ever system you had prior why not just go right back to that. Take Win7 back or keep it on the shelf till solutions can be found for the compatibility issues. It may seem surprising but I don't think MS had all the possible Flight Sim software you could add to your Simulator in mind when they wrote the new OS. It's up to the vender's of the software to keep up with the new OS if they are supporting there work. I'm sure that as Win7 becomes more mainstream that will be the case if it's not already.

Make a note of the difficulties for the vender's of your software to adapt to the new OS with.
Chill and step back for a moment (to a previous OS)
Be a bit more patient when it comes to adding a new OS to your computer.

It will take I'm sure a very brief moment of time to get everything up to speed on the new OS. Patience is key though. Work through and if that still doesn't work things out then abandon ship if need be.

[Matt Olieman]

Computers are complex machines. There are millions of them and perhaps thousands with different hardware configurations. Not every configuration is going to be the be all and end all of that and the OS has to deal with all these differences and work beautifully everytime. As the software adapts to each system set up.

So in that instance it's like rolling 1000 dice expecting to have 80-90% all turn up with the same number................

Excellent point and thank you for that wonderful input.

My experience with Win7 has been wonderful, from Beta to RC and still waiting for my "Real" Win7 package.

But, I've had many software installation experiences where others say it's fantastic and where I never got mine to work. Most everybody's computer is different, in one way or another. I'm not sitting in front of Richards computer, so I can't be judgmental of his situation. It's frustrating, I know that, I've experienced it, been there, done that....

Ronson2k9 has some sound advice, as others have too, to me that's constructive. I wish I can be there to help Richard, unfortunately I can't, and I understand your frustration, I hope it works out for you. :)

Matt Olieman

[dvincent]

Hi all,

my general experience with Windows is that if you're not using exotic hardware, it is running smoothly, sometimes after some updates. Nobody is perfect.
My main advise is to perform a clean install because the Windows "update" setup program installs the drivers for the hardware found and... reported by the previous installed Windows version. IF at that time you are using drivers wich are not really suitable then you get yourself in deep **** because the new setup will install the drivers for the reported (maybe wrong) hardware.
That's the classic mistake.