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  1. #1
    Stuart Whelan
    Guest

    So what is the best way to control the BeoingND?

    Hi Folks,

    Now that I have found out that the mcp is overwriting my pfd commands, I am

    trying to find non-pfd equivilents to all the pfd controls.

    How are people that have the Glass C, MCP and CDU running controlling their

    EFIS/PFD?

    What is the preferred method?

    I can see equivalents for some 0x4f2 commands in the 0x4f command set, but
    not all..

    What is the 'order of preference in selecting which interface to use to
    control the efis?

    I can see the 0x4f4 commandset, the 0x541c button controls, the 5520/2,
    5524, and 5526 offsets

    Any advice would be welcome.


  2. #2
    Stuart Whelan
    Guest

    Re: So what is the best way to control the BeoingND?

    Sorry, some typos.

    I had intended to say I am moving from the 0x4f4 to the 0x4f2.

    So the message should have read:

    > Hi Folks,
    >
    > Now that I have found out that the mcp is overwriting my pfd commands, I
    > am
    >
    > trying to find non-pfd equivilents to all the pfd controls.
    >
    > How are people that have the Glass C, MCP and CDU running controlling
    > their
    >
    > EFIS/PFD?
    >
    > What is the preferred method?
    >
    > I can see equivalents for some 0x4f4 commands in the 0x4f2 command set,
    > but
    > not all..
    >
    > What is the 'order of preference in selecting which interface to use to
    > control the efis?
    >
    > I can see the 0x4f2 commandset, the 0x541c button controls, the 5520/2,
    > 5524, and 5526 offsets
    >
    > Any advice would be welcome.
    >



  3. #3
    Stuart Whelan
    Guest

    Re: So what is the best way to control the BeoingND?

    Others issues I have encountered along these lines:

    How you do:

    Terrain toggle for Capt and Fo without using 4f4?
    How do you toggle Wxr for Fo without using 4f4?

    What is the best way to set the ND map range for the Capt or Fo without
    using 4f4? The 541C and 5420 offsets do not have '5' controls.
    I am guessing that 4f6 gets overwriten by the mcp?

    Cheers!
    Stuart.


  4. #4
    Enrico Schiratti
    Guest

    Re: So what is the best way to control the BeoingND?

    Hi,

    if you use the offsets used by the MCP to talk to the Glass
    Cockpit, then they will be overridden. Some people only use
    the Glass Cockpit, so they talk directly to the GC.

    4F2 directly controls the MCP buttons, as you know, and that
    is the preferred method. The other 32 bit toggles are mostly
    used by people who go through the FSUIPC keyboard and button
    commands I think.

    > I can see the 0x4f4 commandset


    Best stay away from that for MCP controlled stuff.

    > the 0x541c button controls, the 5520/2, 5524, and 5526
    > offsets


    In offset 04F4 I write...

    Please note, these commands go directly to the Glass
    Cockpit, if you do not want the MCP or FCU to override them,
    then please use the MCP commands in 0x4F2 or 0x5520.

    5520 and the following ones are for the first officer
    controls, and should be usable as well.

    What is the practical problem at this stage?

    Ciao

    Enrico


    "Stuart Whelan"
    wrote in message news:380037.76272@wb.onvix.com...
    > Hi Folks,
    >
    > Now that I have found out that the mcp is overwriting my
    > pfd commands, I am
    >
    > trying to find non-pfd equivilents to all the pfd
    > controls.
    >
    > How are people that have the Glass C, MCP and CDU running
    > controlling their
    >
    > EFIS/PFD?
    >
    > What is the preferred method?
    >
    > I can see equivalents for some 0x4f2 commands in the 0x4f
    > command set, but
    > not all..
    >
    > What is the 'order of preference in selecting which
    > interface to use to
    > control the efis?
    >
    > I can see the 0x4f4 commandset, the 0x541c button
    > controls, the 5520/2,
    > 5524, and 5526 offsets
    >
    > Any advice would be welcome.
    >



  5. #5
    Stuart Whelan
    Guest

    Re: So what is the best way to control the BeoingND?

    Sorry, some typos.

    I had intended to say I am moving from the 0x4f4 to the 0x4f2.

    How do you:

    Terrain toggle for Capt and Fo without using 4f4?
    How do you toggle Wxr for Fo without using 4f4?

    What is the best way to set the ND map range for the Capt or Fo without
    using 4f4? The 541C and 5420 offsets do not have '5' controls.
    I am guessing that 4f6 gets overwriten by the mcp?

    "Enrico Schiratti" wrote in message
    news:380236.76272@wb.onvix.com...
    > Hi,
    >
    > if you use the offsets used by the MCP to talk to the Glass
    > Cockpit, then they will be overridden. Some people only use
    > the Glass Cockpit, so they talk directly to the GC.
    >
    > 4F2 directly controls the MCP buttons, as you know, and that
    > is the preferred method. The other 32 bit toggles are mostly
    > used by people who go through the FSUIPC keyboard and button
    > commands I think.
    >
    >> I can see the 0x4f4 commandset

    >
    > Best stay away from that for MCP controlled stuff.
    >
    >> the 0x541c button controls, the 5520/2, 5524, and 5526
    >> offsets

    >
    > In offset 04F4 I write...
    >
    > Please note, these commands go directly to the Glass
    > Cockpit, if you do not want the MCP or FCU to override them,
    > then please use the MCP commands in 0x4F2 or 0x5520.
    >
    > 5520 and the following ones are for the first officer
    > controls, and should be usable as well.
    >
    > What is the practical problem at this stage?
    >
    > Ciao
    >
    > Enrico
    >
    >
    > "Stuart Whelan"
    > wrote in message news:380037.76272@wb.onvix.com...
    >> Hi Folks,
    >>
    >> Now that I have found out that the mcp is overwriting my
    >> pfd commands, I am
    >>
    >> trying to find non-pfd equivilents to all the pfd
    >> controls.
    >>
    >> How are people that have the Glass C, MCP and CDU running
    >> controlling their
    >>
    >> EFIS/PFD?
    >>
    >> What is the preferred method?
    >>
    >> I can see equivalents for some 0x4f2 commands in the 0x4f
    >> command set, but
    >> not all..
    >>
    >> What is the 'order of preference in selecting which
    >> interface to use to
    >> control the efis?
    >>
    >> I can see the 0x4f4 commandset, the 0x541c button
    >> controls, the 5520/2,
    >> 5524, and 5526 offsets
    >>
    >> Any advice would be welcome.
    >>

    >



  6. #6
    Enrico Schiratti
    Guest

    Re: So what is the best way to control the BeoingND?

    Hi,

    > Terrain toggle for Capt and Fo without using 4f4?
    > How do you toggle Wxr for Fo without using 4f4?


    You can do this with 4F2 from today, please get the current
    MCP from www.projectmagenta.com/latest.html and check the
    new docs on www.projectmagenta.com/pmoffsets.html ... the B,
    S and M commands have corresponding values in 4F2 now,
    please let me know whether this helps or you need any
    further assistance.


    > "Enrico Schiratti" wrote in message
    > news:380236.76272@wb.onvix.com...
    >> Hi,
    >>
    >> if you use the offsets used by the MCP to talk to the
    >> Glass
    >> Cockpit, then they will be overridden. Some people only
    >> use
    >> the Glass Cockpit, so they talk directly to the GC.
    >>
    >> 4F2 directly controls the MCP buttons, as you know, and
    >> that
    >> is the preferred method. The other 32 bit toggles are
    >> mostly
    >> used by people who go through the FSUIPC keyboard and
    >> button
    >> commands I think.
    >>
    >>> I can see the 0x4f4 commandset

    >>
    >> Best stay away from that for MCP controlled stuff.
    >>
    >>> the 0x541c button controls, the 5520/2, 5524, and 5526
    >>> offsets

    >>
    >> In offset 04F4 I write...
    >>
    >> Please note, these commands go directly to the Glass
    >> Cockpit, if you do not want the MCP or FCU to override
    >> them,
    >> then please use the MCP commands in 0x4F2 or 0x5520.
    >>
    >> 5520 and the following ones are for the first officer
    >> controls, and should be usable as well.
    >>
    >> What is the practical problem at this stage?
    >>
    >> Ciao
    >>
    >> Enrico
    >>
    >>
    >> "Stuart Whelan"
    >> wrote in message news:380037.76272@wb.onvix.com...
    >>> Hi Folks,
    >>>
    >>> Now that I have found out that the mcp is overwriting my
    >>> pfd commands, I am
    >>>
    >>> trying to find non-pfd equivilents to all the pfd
    >>> controls.
    >>>
    >>> How are people that have the Glass C, MCP and CDU
    >>> running
    >>> controlling their
    >>>
    >>> EFIS/PFD?
    >>>
    >>> What is the preferred method?
    >>>
    >>> I can see equivalents for some 0x4f2 commands in the
    >>> 0x4f
    >>> command set, but
    >>> not all..
    >>>
    >>> What is the 'order of preference in selecting which
    >>> interface to use to
    >>> control the efis?
    >>>
    >>> I can see the 0x4f4 commandset, the 0x541c button
    >>> controls, the 5520/2,
    >>> 5524, and 5526 offsets
    >>>
    >>> Any advice would be welcome.
    >>>

    >>

    >



  7. #7
    Peter Dowson
    Guest

    Re: So what is the best way to control the BeoingN

    On 1/10/2006 7:57:13 AM, Enrico Schiratti wrote:
    >You can do this with 4F2 from
    >today, please get the current
    >MCP from
    >www.projectmagenta.com/latest.
    >html


    Hi Enrico,

    There are two new MCPs with today's date -- "s" and "t" versions. The latter
    is later, but it is a partial file I think -- a lot smaller, and Winzip
    doesn't like it at all.

    Best Regards,

    Pete


  8. #8
    Enrico Schiratti
    Guest

    Re: So what is the best way to control the BeoingN

    > There are two new MCPs with today's date -- "s" and "t"
    > versions. The latter
    > is later, but it is a partial file I think -- a lot
    > smaller, and Winzip
    > doesn't like it at all.


    Cheers for pointing it out... it's been a while since an
    upload went bad... doing it again now.

    Ciao

    Enrico


  9. #9
    Stuart Whelan
    Guest

    Re: So what is the best way to control the BeoingND?

    Fantastic, thankyou sir!

    I will try it out this afternoon and report back.

    "Enrico Schiratti" wrote in message
    news:380776.76272@wb.onvix.com...
    > Hi,
    >
    >> Terrain toggle for Capt and Fo without using 4f4?
    >> How do you toggle Wxr for Fo without using 4f4?

    >
    > You can do this with 4F2 from today, please get the current
    > MCP from www.projectmagenta.com/latest.html and check the
    > new docs on www.projectmagenta.com/pmoffsets.html ... the B,
    > S and M commands have corresponding values in 4F2 now,
    > please let me know whether this helps or you need any
    > further assistance.
    >
    >
    >> "Enrico Schiratti" wrote in message
    >> news:380236.76272@wb.onvix.com...
    >>> Hi,
    >>>
    >>> if you use the offsets used by the MCP to talk to the
    >>> Glass
    >>> Cockpit, then they will be overridden. Some people only
    >>> use
    >>> the Glass Cockpit, so they talk directly to the GC.
    >>>
    >>> 4F2 directly controls the MCP buttons, as you know, and
    >>> that
    >>> is the preferred method. The other 32 bit toggles are
    >>> mostly
    >>> used by people who go through the FSUIPC keyboard and
    >>> button
    >>> commands I think.
    >>>
    >>>> I can see the 0x4f4 commandset
    >>>
    >>> Best stay away from that for MCP controlled stuff.
    >>>
    >>>> the 0x541c button controls, the 5520/2, 5524, and 5526
    >>>> offsets
    >>>
    >>> In offset 04F4 I write...
    >>>
    >>> Please note, these commands go directly to the Glass
    >>> Cockpit, if you do not want the MCP or FCU to override
    >>> them,
    >>> then please use the MCP commands in 0x4F2 or 0x5520.
    >>>
    >>> 5520 and the following ones are for the first officer
    >>> controls, and should be usable as well.
    >>>
    >>> What is the practical problem at this stage?
    >>>
    >>> Ciao
    >>>
    >>> Enrico
    >>>
    >>>
    >>> "Stuart Whelan"
    >>> wrote in message news:380037.76272@wb.onvix.com...
    >>>> Hi Folks,
    >>>>
    >>>> Now that I have found out that the mcp is overwriting my
    >>>> pfd commands, I am
    >>>>
    >>>> trying to find non-pfd equivilents to all the pfd
    >>>> controls.
    >>>>
    >>>> How are people that have the Glass C, MCP and CDU
    >>>> running
    >>>> controlling their
    >>>>
    >>>> EFIS/PFD?
    >>>>
    >>>> What is the preferred method?
    >>>>
    >>>> I can see equivalents for some 0x4f2 commands in the
    >>>> 0x4f
    >>>> command set, but
    >>>> not all..
    >>>>
    >>>> What is the 'order of preference in selecting which
    >>>> interface to use to
    >>>> control the efis?
    >>>>
    >>>> I can see the 0x4f4 commandset, the 0x541c button
    >>>> controls, the 5520/2,
    >>>> 5524, and 5526 offsets
    >>>>
    >>>> Any advice would be welcome.
    >>>>
    >>>

    >>

    >



  10. #10
    Stuart Whelan
    Guest

    Re: So what is the best way to control the BeoingND?

    Hi Enrico,

    I have tried this with the '403t' build.

    I can use the normal 'KNNN' codes okay, but none of the 301, 401 or 501
    codes appear to be working.

    I can see them go into 0x4f2, and its being set back to 0, but nothing else

    is happening.

    I did most of my testing on trying to set the range using 40n and trying to

    set the ND mode with 50n.

    "Enrico Schiratti" wrote in message
    news:380776.76272@wb.onvix.com...
    > Hi,
    >
    >> Terrain toggle for Capt and Fo without using 4f4?
    >> How do you toggle Wxr for Fo without using 4f4?

    >
    > You can do this with 4F2 from today, please get the current
    > MCP from www.projectmagenta.com/latest.html and check the
    > new docs on www.projectmagenta.com/pmoffsets.html ... the B,
    > S and M commands have corresponding values in 4F2 now,
    > please let me know whether this helps or you need any
    > further assistance.



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