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    new years flight 737-800

    Tonight, I made a short flight to Monastir, Tunisia, because I newly own the holiday airports scenery from Aerosoft, including this airport and another 3 (Kos, Antalya and Faro). I was interested flying an arc approach, which I rarely find in central Europe.
    http://s3.directupload.net/file/d/2392/jzwxlhrt_jpg.htm
    Here´s how an ARC approach looks alike on the NAV display, when you feed the data correctly into the CDU database.
    http://s5.directupload.net/file/d/2392/s99hpo2a_jpg.htm
    I also managed to have a correct Autoland annunciation in the PFD, here is the picture showing the rising runway. I was aware being too fast. Also, radio altimeter is not set to DH, I know...
    http://s1.directupload.net/images/110102/wrb7mfw3.jpg
    Another change is the modification of Steve Reyling´s configuration file (v 4) , for use with the CDU - model 737-800, CFM56-7B26 engines. I altered the v1,vr,v2-Table, the vref speeds, the trim setting amplitude, and the "autoland" indication in the PFD. The values are taken from a real 737-800 FCOM dated May 15, 2008. I found, that for the POSKY model I am using, the v-speeds work smoother than the original ones and I need less trim correction than before.

    Cheers
    Chris

    Heres the altered file:

    TOGAPitch=13
    N1ref = 97.3
    NetWeight= 91300 ;Empty Weight
    Payload = 27400 ;Get values from Aircraft.cfg file
    Fuelmax = 46063
    FFFactor= 1
    FuelFactor=1
    FFMax= 11
    AircraftType = B737-800
    Engines=CFM56-7B26
    EnginesRate=26.3k
    N1Init=4.3
    N1Stable=20
    N2Stable=59
    N1StartupDelay=23
    N2StartupDelay=55
    radioalt=8
    TrimMin=2.25
    TrimMax=8.5
    TrimScaleMax=17
    TrimScaleMin=0

    ;highest speed for gear extraction
    vle=270
    mle=.84

    flppos=0
    flpset=0
    vmin=vref40+50
    vret=0
    vext=vref40+70
    vmax=340

    flppos=1
    flpset=1
    vmin=vref40+70
    vret=vref40+50
    vext=vref40+50
    vmax=250

    flppos=2
    flpset=2
    vmin=vref40+30
    vret=vref40+50
    vext=vref40+50
    vmax=250

    flppos=5
    flpset=5
    vmin=vref40+20
    vret=vref40+30
    vext=vref40+30
    vmax=250

    flppos=10
    flpset=10
    vmin=vref40+20
    vret=vref40+30
    vext=vref40+30
    vmax=210

    flppos=15
    flpset=15
    vmin=vref40+10
    vret=vref40+20
    vext=vref40+20
    vmax=200

    flppos=25
    flpset=25
    vmin=vref40
    vret=vref40+10
    vext=vref40+10
    vmax=190

    flppos=30
    flpset=30
    vmin=120
    vret=0
    vext=0
    vmax=175

    flppos=40
    flpset=40
    vmin=120
    vret=0
    vext=0
    vmax=162

    vss=0
    80000 129
    85000 133
    90000 137
    95000 141
    100000 144
    105000 149
    110000 152
    115000 154
    120000 157
    125000 161
    130000 165
    135000 168
    140000 172
    145000 174
    150000 177
    155000 179
    160000 182
    165000 184
    170000 187
    180000 189
    vssend

    vss=30
    80000 89
    85000 92
    90000 95
    95000 97
    100000 100
    105000 103
    110000 105
    115000 107
    120000 110
    125000 112
    130000 114
    135000 116
    140000 118
    145000 120
    150000 122
    155000 124
    160000 126
    165000 128
    170000 130
    180000 132
    vssend

    vss=1
    vss30 1.39
    vssend

    vss=2
    vss30 1.32
    vssend

    vss=5
    vss30 1.26
    vssend

    vss=10
    vss30 1.19
    vssend

    vss=15
    vss30 1.11
    vssend

    vss=25
    vss30 1.07
    vssend

    vss=40
    vss30 0.985
    vssend

    ;v1,vr,v2 for flaps 1
    vr=1
    88185 105 106 125
    99208 113 114 131
    110231 121 122 137
    121254 128 129 143
    132277 135 136 148
    143300 141 143 153
    154324 147 149 158
    165347 153 155 162
    176370 158 160 167
    187393 163 166 171
    198416 169 171 175
    vrend

    ;v1,vr,v2 for flaps 5
    vr=5
    88185 101 102 120
    99208 109 110 126
    110231 116 117 132
    121254 123 124 137
    132377 129 131 143
    143300 135 137 147
    154324 141 143 152
    165347 147 148 156
    176370 152 154 160
    187393 157 159 164
    198416 161 163 168
    vrend

    ;v1,vr,v2 for flaps 10
    vr=10
    88185 100 101 119
    99208 108 108 125
    110231 115 116 130
    121254 122 123 136
    132277 128 129 141
    143300 134 136 146
    154234 140 141 150
    165347 146 147 154
    176370 151 152 158
    187393 156 157 162
    vrend

    ;v1,vr,v2 for flaps 15
    vr=15
    88185 98 99 117
    99208 105 106 122
    110231 112 113 128
    121254 119 120 133
    132277 125 126 138
    143300 131 133 143
    154324 137 138 147
    165347 142 144 151
    176370 148 149 155
    vrend

    ;vref for flaps 15
    vref=15
    88185 121
    99208 128
    110231 136
    121254 143
    132277 149
    143300 156
    154324 161
    165347 167
    176370 172
    187393 177
    vrefend

    ;vref for flaps 30
    vref=30
    88185 115
    99208 122
    110231 129
    121254 136
    132277 142
    143300 148
    154324 153
    165347 158
    176370 163
    187393 168
    vrefend

    ;vref for flaps 40
    vref=40
    88185 108
    99208 115
    110231 122
    121254 128
    132277 135
    143300 141
    154324 146
    165347 151
    176370 155
    187393 160
    vrefend

    n1totable
    C -2000 -1000 0 1000 2000 3000 4000 5000 6000 7000 8000 9000 10000
    60 94.8 95.4 95.8 95.9 96.0 96.1 96.2 96.3 96.2 95.9 95.8 95.7 95.7
    55 95.4 96.0 96.5 96.6 96.7 96.8 96.9 97.1 96.9 96.6 96.3 95.7 95.0
    50 96.0 96.6 97.1 97.3 97.4 97.6 97.7 97.8 97.7 97.4 97.1 96.6 96.1
    45 96.8 97.4 97.8 98.0 98.1 98.3 98.4 98.5 98.4 98.1 97.8 97.5 97.1
    40 97.4 98.1 98.6 98.7 98.8 98.9 99.0 99.2 99.1 98.8 98.5 98.4 98.1
    35 98.0 98.7 99.4 99.5 99.6 99.7 99.8 99.9 99.8 99.5 99.2 99.1 99.0
    30 97.6 98.8 100.3 100.3 100.4 100.4 100.5 100.5 100.4 100.3 100.0 99.9 99.9
    25 96.8 98.1 99.5 100.1 100.7 100.8 100.7 100.7 100.7 100.7 100.6 100.6 100.7
    20 96.0 97.3 98.8 99.3 99.9 100.2 100.5 100.8 100.8 100.9 100.8 100.8 100.8
    15 95.2 96.5 98.0 98.6 99.2 99.5 99.8 100.1 100.5 100.9 101.1 101.1 101.1
    10 94.5 95.8 97.2 97.8 98.4 98.7 99.0 99.4 99.7 100.1 100.5 101.0 101.5
    5 93.7 95.0 96.4 97.0 97.6 98.0 98.3 98.6 99.0 99.4 99.8 100.3 100.7
    0 92.9 94.2 95.6 96.3 96.9 97.2 97.5 97.9 98.2 98.6 99.0 99.5 100.0
    -5 92.0 93.4 94.8 95.5 96.1 96.4 96.7 97.1 97.5 97.9 98.3 98.7 99.2
    -10 91.2 92.6 94.0 94.7 95.3 95.6 96.0 96.3 96.7 97.1 97.5 98.0 98.4
    -15 90.4 91.7 93.2 93.9 94.5 94.8 95.2 95.6 95.9 96.3 96.7 97.2 97.6
    -20 89.6 90.9 92.4 93.0 93.7 94.0 94.4 94.8 95.2 95.6 95.9 96.4 96.8
    -25 88.7 90.1 91.6 92.2 92.9 93.2 93.6 94.0 94.4 94.8 95.2 95.6 96.0
    -30 87.9 89.2 90.7 91.4 92.0 92.4 92.8 93.2 93.6 94.0 94.3 94.8 95.2
    -35 87.0 88.4 89.9 90.5 91.2 91.6 91.9 92.4 92.8 93.1 93.5 94.0 94.4
    -40 86.1 87.5 89.0 89.7 90.3 90.7 91.1 91.5 91.9 92.3 92.7 93.1 93.6
    -45 85.3 86.6 88.2 88.8 89.5 89.9 90.3 90.7 91.1 91.5 91.9 92.3 92.7
    -50 84.4 85.7 87.3 87.9 88.6 89.0 89.4 89.9 90.3 90.6 91.0 91.5 91.9
    end

    n1clbtable
    C 0 5000 10000 15000 20000 25000 30000 35000 37000 41000
    60 90.2 90.5 90.4 90.6 90.4 92.1 93.8 95.1 95.2 93.5
    55 91.2 91.3 91.4 90.8 91.5 93.1 94.4 94.5 92.8 91.0
    50 91.7 92.0 92.1 92.2 91.7 91.5 92.4 93.7 93.8 92.1
    45 92.4 92.6 92.8 93.0 92.6 92.4 92.4 93.0 93.1 91.4
    40 93.1 93.3 93.6 93.8 93.4 93.2 93.2 92.3 92.4 90.7
    35 94.0 94.3 94.5 94.3 94.0 94.0 93.0 92.4 90.8 93.6
    30 92.9 94.8 95.0 95.2 95.1 94.8 94.7 93.9 93.3 91.8
    25 92.2 94.8 95.7 95.9 95.9 95.5 95.4 94.7 94.1 92.8
    20 91.4 94.0 96.5 96.7 96.6 96.2 96.1 95.4 94.9 93.7
    15 90.6 93.2 95.9 97.5 97.4 96.9 96.7 96.2 95.7 94.6
    10 89.9 92.5 95.1 97.8 98.3 97.7 97.4 96.9 96.5 95.6
    5 89.1 91.7 94.3 97.0 99.2 98.6 98.1 97.7 97.3 96.5
    0 88.3 90.9 93.5 96.2 98.6 99.6 99.1 98.5 98.2 97.5
    -5 87.6 90.1 92.7 95.4 97.8 99.6 100.0 99.2 99.0 98.4
    -10 86.8 89.3 91.9 94.6 97.1 98.8 100.3 100.2 99.8 99.4
    -15 86.0 88.5 91.0 93.8 96.3 98.0 99.6 101.1 100.8 100.4
    -20 85.2 87.6 90.2 93.0 95.5 97.2 98.7 100.8 101.3 101.0
    -25 84.3 86.8 89.4 92.2 94.7 96.4 97.9 100.0 100.5 100.1
    -30 83.5 86.0 88.5 91.3 93.9 95.6 97.1 99.1 99.6 99.3
    -35 82.7 85.1 87.7 90.5 93.1 94.8 96.3 98.3 98.8 98.4
    -40 81.8 84.3 86.8 89.6 92.3 93.9 95.4 97.4 97.9 97.6
    end

    ; Climb 1 is 3% reduction in %N1 (10% reduction in thrust) to 10,000 feet, increasing to full climb at 15,000 feet.
    CLB1-reduction
    3, 10000, 15000

    ; Climb 2 is 6% reduction in N1 (20% reduction in thrust) to 5,000 feet, increasing to full climb at 15,000 feet.
    CLB2-reduction
    6, 5000, 15000

    ; cost index is truly based on weight, altitude, and wind.
    ; Values below are based on 140,000 lbs, 37,000 feet, and no wind.
    costindex
    0 284/.758 284/.758 250/.737 3.0
    30 298/.782 298/.782 273/.777 3.1
    100 315/.798 315/.797 315/.785 3.1
    200 315/.801 315/.798 315/.785 3.2
    500 315/.803 315/.803 315/.785 3.2
    end
    costindexinterpolated = on

    ASPD1=ARM
    CSPD1=1
    ASPD2=N1
    ASPD3=MCP SPD
    ASPD4=RETARD
    ASPD5=THR HLD
    ASPD6=GA
    ASPD7=FMC SPD
    ASPD9=FMC SPD
    AHDG1=HDG SEL
    AHDG2=VOR/LOC
    CHDG2=1
    AHDG3=VOR/LOC
    AHDG4=VOR/LOC
    AHDG5=VOR/LOC
    CHDG5=1
    AHDG8=LNAV
    AALT1=G/S
    AALT2=ALT HOLD
    AALT3=MCP SPD
    AALT4=V/S
    AALT5=ALT ACQ
    AALT6=G/S
    CALT6=1
    AALT7=TO/GA
    AALT8=TO/GA
    AALT9=VNAV SPD
    AALT10=VNAV PTH
    AALT11=ALT HOLD
    ACMD1=CMD
    ACMD2=FD
    ACMD3=AUTOLAND
    ACMD4=Land3
    ACMD5=NO AUTOLAND

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    Re: new years flight 737-800

    This is interesting, I was in the cockpit of a 737-800 last year flying a direct approach into this airport. It was only recently opened. We were the only aircraft on the tarmac and everything is very neat and new there. Even the concrete is spotless and smooth.

    I was quite puzzled by your last screenshot though. I have never seen "autoland" as an FMA text in a 737-800, and what you describe as a rising runway is actually an "get the **** out of there" TCAS warning showing you to climb immediately. In all Boeing synoptics, Red = impeding death.

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    Re: new years flight 737-800

    Quote Originally Posted by metamarty View Post
    Red = impeding death.
    LOL! That made be smile.

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    Re: new years flight 737-800

    I was quite puzzled by your last screenshot though. I have never seen "autoland" as an FMA text in a 737-800, and what you describe as a rising runway is actually an "get the **** out of there" TCAS warning showing you to climb immediately. In all Boeing synoptics, Red = impeding death.
    Ooooooops ;-(
    So what is the anncouncement for autoland in a 737-800?
    So damn, I remember the rising runway sign is different, ooops. But what the heck went wrong, then???
    Here´s is the answer:
    This is the PFD at the same time...

    Yes, uhm, there was impeding death from "someone".

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    Re: new years flight 737-800

    Chris, what glass cockpit software are you using there?

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    Re: new years flight 737-800

    Quote Originally Posted by choffmann View Post
    Ooooooops ;-(
    So what is the anncouncement for autoland in a 737-800?
    So damn, I remember the rising runway sign is different, ooops. But what the heck went wrong, then???
    Here´s is the answer:
    This is the PFD at the same time...

    Yes, uhm, there was impeding death from "someone".
    The real announcement is the good old "CMD". The sequence is as follows:
    1. Up until 1500 feet an amber SINGLE CH is shown, indicating that a full autoland is not available, although both autopilots may already be armed.
    2. At 1500 feet a confidence test is done, flashing both the glideslope and localiser deviation markers for 2 seconds.
    3. After the confidence test is completed, SINGLE CH reverts back to CMD and flare is armed in the vertical channel. Both autopilots are now in command.
    4. Flare is activated at 50 feet followed by Retard/Arm by the autothrottle.

    Also note, that after glideslope capture, both the FCC Master lights on the MCP should be on, indicating that the FCC's have already split the operation and independently drive their own FD's. This leads to dropping out the FD on the side that has not yet tuned the ILS frequency and is a common source of confusion. It happens even when a single CMD is active.

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    Re: new years flight 737-800

    Thank you metamarty.

    So I will delete the Autoland FMA message again, for reality´s sake.

    Sean, the cockpitsoftware is PM.

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    Re: new years flight 737-800

    Thanks Chris. I didn't realise you could edit the FMA messages in PM!

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    Re: new years flight 737-800

    Quote Originally Posted by choffmann View Post
    Ooooooops ;-(
    Yes, uhm, there was impeding death from "someone".
    Not like you Chris .
    Cpt to FO: Why is that %$#@ horn blowing, could you please silence it? LOL

    JWS

    PS thank you for the POSKY 737-800 file, I'will try it. By any chance also an altered 737-700 file???

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