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    Airbus Wow!

    Wow Trev,
    Sorry to hear that puts you in a tough position for sure. Hmmmmmm guess we didn't win WWII after all lol
    So let me re write my post to JOE C.
    Joe,
    I really hope you get better and our best wishes for your speedy recovery without any sort of conentation whatsoever that may elude itself to any sort of focus on anyone other than ourselves hoping you feel better.
    In the immortal words of AK49er in a past post lol "UNREAL!"

    "Oh yes and a small health notice to any and all anal rententive persons try Maalox or some other similar type laxative it may help however its JMO and doesnt reflect this forums opinion as a collective or singular
    Tim
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    Attention all MyCockpit Members.

    Due to recent events, and the sensitive nature of Religious discussions, it is with regret that we (MyCockpit, Inc.) must make a policy forbidding any form of Religious discussion. Formal complaints have been made, and we cannot allow offensive or possibly inappropriate content.

    In this particular situation, I personally was accused of censoring threads when I attempted to edit the offensive content. I thought this was the best solution.

    I hereby publicly apologize for altering anybody's postings.

    From this point forward, any reference to Religion may result in removal of privileges on this Website.
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    Post This is probably as good as any place make my remarks regarding religion topics

    I'm saddened we (MyCockpit, Inc.) have to make a rule regarding discussion or remarks of a religious nature. I thought we all new the unwritten rule.

    "You never talk Religion and Politics amongst friends and business associates."

    Personally "Religion" is a very personal and private matter. I don't have a need or a necessity to broadcast my believes.

    There are so many variants of religions, it could be made into a web site with more topics and discussion then this site can contain. I don't and believe most of you feel the same way, this site is not about religion it's about Flight-Sim Building and that's where it ends.

    Therefore, lets get to the business of building cockpit parts and continue to help each other.

    Matt Olieman

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    Quote Originally Posted by Matt Olieman View Post
    I'm saddened we (MyCockpit, Inc.) have to make a rule regarding discussion or remarks of a religious nature. I thought we all new the unwritten rule.

    "You never talk Religion and Politics amongst friends and business associates."

    Personally "Religion" is a very personal and private matter. I don't have a need or a necessity to broadcast my believes.

    There are so many variants of religions, it could be made into a web site with more topics and discussion then this site can contain. I don't and believe most of you feel the same way, this site is not about religion it's about Flight-Sim Building and that's where it ends.

    Therefore, lets get to the business of building cockpit parts and continue to help each other.

    Matt Olieman

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    Matt,
    i do whole hardedly agree with you not to discuss politics or religion in any forum not created for that purpose..however to stop people from wishing each other Happy E a s t e r which most of us have been doing for all of our lives or simply saying our p r a y ee r s are with you in hopes you get better do not in anyway define any religion or lack of it is an expression of our concern for our friends betterment, nothing more. Because of a couple ppl's disastifaction we are held hostage in the way in which we talk. I 100% agree to speak of anything directly defining a particular belief system or absence of would indeed create un needed conflict, however we live in a society of democracy and free speech Matt. Thats honestly like saying because a few members here speak a different language No one is allowed to speak english. Anyhow its your forum and yes it is for building cockpits but remember this forum is made up of people who take freedom, democracy very seriously and i do not feel the words that I have mentioned would or should in any way infringe on anyones beliefs or rights. I know i am not the only one who believes this but I also know that I am one of the only ones that actually got a big enough pair to make this point publically. At the end of the day its your forum your rules and I will respect that, however it is important I at least render my point of view as well.I just think that a redefinition of the boundaries should be re evaluated because we have gone too far Left wing in hopes of appeasing a small few, I will not speak on this issue again.

    Tim

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    I didn't see anything in the supposed offenders comments that criticised, defamed or belittled religion. As Warvet stated we live in a democracy (although I wonder about that these days) where there is freedom of speech. To say that one is praying for someones recovery is not inciteful. If there are people out there that object to a statement like that, then they need to recognize that the majority of mycockpit viewers do not object to such. They are also obviously intolerant of others viewpoints and rights. We are entitled to our opinions and to say what we want to as long as we are not criticizing another or their religion.

    From what I can read, it also looks like these individuals didn't have the courage to publish their complaints, but must have emailed directly. It would appear that the minority are ruling over the majority and I am very dissappointed that this action has been taken.

    Not everyone is going to be happy with what everyone says - that's life, and we have to get along with others so there needs to be some room for frfeedom of thought and speech.

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    Wholeheartedly agree with Tim and Rob. Things are getting to a dreadful state in this world today.
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    Some people "Just Don't Get It"

    I'm sorry you didn't understand my earlier post. There's nothing wrong with wishing each other a happy holidays, such as Christmas, Easter, Rosh Hashana, Yom Kippur, or any others. Their are many of them. Or to say you are in my prayers and say I thank God, for whatever.

    You're wrong when you say the majority feel the way you do. The majority stays silent because they belief in the intelligence approach of staying neutral, it's not about "courage".

    "Entitled," what about the respect and entitlement of those who disagree with you're beliefs.

    Matt Olieman

    Another thought: Some of you didn't see what was starting to happen in an other thread. It was entirely inappropriate for this site and disrespectful and inconsiderate of others.
    Last edited by Matt Olieman; 04-13-2009 at 07:59 PM. Reason: Just another thought

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    Matt,

    Thanks for clearing this up but I can see how it looked like a total ban on anything slightly religious when the message on the Home screen read :-

    From this point forward, any reference to Religion may result in removal of privileges on this Website.

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    We are "entitled" to our different opinions and beliefs as are others. One persons belief does not have to be accepted by another. However, as long as we are not judging or criticizing the others beliefs and accept that there are differences (and it's those differences that make us unique) we are open to others opinions and beliefs. Just because someone might not approve of a certain religion or belief, it does not give them the right to be critical of the person or their beliefs. It's about tolerance and acceptance of differences. Intolerance of others religion or beliefs has been the root of most wars.

    Rob

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    I for one totally agree with Matt & Trev. Their position has nothing to do with censorship, but it has all to do with making everyone welcome & comfortable here. I'm also 100% sure that whatever was 'censored' was very specific to one or more religion whose members feel compelled to advertise & profess their beliefs as the only true belief.

    Just as those of you who are deeply religious might feel very uncomfortable in an atheist forum for instance, so too those who are not of the same faith can feel very uncomfortable in a forum where a specific religious faith seems a pre-requisite in order to feel like you belong.

    And I am one who on a previous occasion complained about a specific religious reference which I found bordered on preaching. And that reference was certainly not an innocuous comment like the ones Matt mentioned such as God help, or God bless or Merry whatever or I pray for you.

    I'm 100% sure that whomever makes religious comments that others might find uncomfortable know exactly that their comments will have such an effect but choose to make them anyway in order to proudly proclaim & 'sell' their beliefs, and this has nothing to do with tolerance or with what this forum is all about.

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