Change viewing position?

[fweinrebe]

Excellent illustrations ! Thanks.

It just can't be fixed, there is NO WAY MSFS allows adjustments for you to have the center line on the center nose of the airplane and the pilot to look at the line to infinity and be centered to your position. AND that's a fact!!!!

Luckily this won't affect my old little Pilatus PC-9M. Hopefully the new releases of FS will fix this in future. In time for my Jet sim planned after the PC9.

[project 727]

Hello Christian
The same FORWARD VIEW problem occurred the first day we flew our 727 cockpit and as Matt states theres NO FIX at the present time.
Its seems to be one of the greatest Limitations of using MSFS for home cockpit building.
What we did and still do is use our 727's center window post as a reference point. During takeoffs, approaches and landings we keep the center of the runway (or the runway centerline) aligned with our center post. Even when we taxi we keep the yellow line centered with our center post. After you have a few successfully takeoffs and landings you will be so thrilled to have your Sim flying that you will very, very, very quickly get used to this and you will fly your Sim just as you fly it with a monitor or just as naturally as you fly your aircraft in the real world. Overcoming this MSFS limitation will become second nature to you.
Your beautifully Connie does not have a center post so you may want to some how put a temporary marker in the middle of your center window perhaps toward the bottom of the window so it may not be quickly seen by others, but You can see it. Try a flight around your airport pattern with this middle window marker as your reference point for the center of the runway and you will quickly understand and master this issue.
While on approach keep the runways center aligned with your window marker no matter how awkward (or crabbed) it may seem at first. You will notice that as your approach progresses and you get very close to the runway, the runways width will increase and things will look more natural and real to you and the crabbing will disappear despite of you keeping the runway center aligned with your window marker.
Remember when Flight Simulator had an option of putting a
RED "V" marker in the middle of the "Forward Out of Window View" as a reference tool for the beginner pilot? That "RED V" was there especially to help the pilot stay on the center of the runway during takeoffs and landings.You would be doing the same TEMPORARILY till you get used to it and that will occur very, very quickly.
Take a look at our youtube videos using this technique and you will see how natural things flow in the cockpit once you understand how to adapt to this limitation. Go to our website at: www.xsn.net/project727 and access the videos there or go to the attached links below. Soon I will post a KAI TAK landing video so stay tuned. The TAXI and TAKEOFF videos will demonstrate this issue. Also take a look at the picture I attached below and notice how the center post is aligned with the runway center.
The other option is to move your projected view toward the left or right till the runway center line is aligned with the middle of the PIC seat, but that sort of leaves the Pilot Not Flying with an awkward view. It all depends on what makes you happy.
DIRECT LINKS TO VIDEOS:
1. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xEyOP_pb3gQ&feature=user

2. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W7WNCC1_ReM&feature=channel

3. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z59AXQW0bWo&feature=channel TAXI

4. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8621Lfse3nY&feature=channel TAKEOFF
Really hope this helps You Grease Them All!!!
Joe Maldonado
PROJECT 727
www.xsn.net/project727

[rhysb]

Project 727 is bang on!! I have been reading this post and waiting until someone was going to raise that! and yes microsoft flightsim is utterly useless in its outside views firstly yes it is designed for a single seat aircraft and its default view "looks up and ahead" too much rather than ever so slightly down as the real aircraft does. Obviously most of you know that I have flown single seat aircraft right up to the boeing widebodies and when you are in an airliner your eyes the majority of the time look just over the top of the MIP due to the scanning position of your head.
In the real world of course the left seat is left of the centreline and the right is to the right. you judge your centre position by the centre of the cockpit and if you are doing it for the first time yes it feels like you are Yawing or "crabbing" as that seems to be the popular word. but once you have flown over and over again this feeling disappears! and it becomes the norm. The only reason why the sensation of crabbing is greater is that most people with 3 projectors go for a wider view across their view instead of making the runway fill most of your view thus the runway in your view is smaller than what the real thing would appear.

And remember guys there are 2 main reasons why your optical channel thinks you are yawing firstly is the simple one the fact that you are looking at a flat image!!!!
Secondly most of you started by using a single pc screen and you are simply not trained both in the eyes and mind that in a large airliner the view that a single pc gives you is nowhere near reality!

The trick is to not line the projector screens up to the left seat or the right seat but leave all the views centered and line it up to the NOSE of the aircraft then simply fly over and over again until that becomes the norm then you are closer to reality that you will ever be!!

The only change I would suggest to the view is to pan it slightly down towards the ground as if you are leaning forward then when you scan from the instruments to the outside view its a smoother more realistic vision.

Hopefully you understand all that guys and happy flying

Rhys B

[AndyT]

Rhys,

That makes more sense than all the rest I've heard so for.