SIOC Everything looks good, BUT.....

[jmig]

I'm with you. Developers think we're born with this knowledge or somehow absorb it through osmosis.

The most sophisticated item in the house when I grew up was the Space Command for the Zenith television.

I don't know why this stuff seems so darn hard? It is like my brain refuses to learn. Give me hard ware any day. i will never be a software engineer.

Oh the positive side...they say an active brain helps keep you young. Shoot, with this stuff, I should live to be 100.

[Michael Carter]

I think it's because it's not a tangible item like hardware. There's nothing to touch or see or hold in your hand.

Just a bunch of gibberish on a computer screen that you hope will do something if it's all perfectly, meticulously, in the correct sequence with the correct characters.

[kiek]

I think it's because it's not a tangible item like hardware. There's nothing to touch or see or hold in your hand.

Just a bunch of gibberish on a computer screen that you hope will do something if it's all perfectly, meticulously, in the correct sequence with the correct characters.

No, it is because programming computers is a profession...

Don't expect you can just learn it by doing. It needs proper education and training.

SIOC is a tool for programmers. If you have no programming skills at all, don't use it.

More info about programming in SIOC can be found here:
http://www.lekseecon.nl/howto.html

regards,
Nico Kaan

[jmig]

No, it is because programming computers is a profession...

Don't expect you can just learn it by doing. It needs proper education and training.

SIOC is a tool for programmers. If you have no programming skills at all, don't use it.

More info about programming in SIOC can be found here:
http://www.lekseecon.nl/howto.html

regards,
Nico Kaan

Ahhh, Nico. Then why people familiar with the language, even you, have often spoke about how easy it is? You once said that if at all possible use it over IOPC because it can do so much more.

I will learn enough to do what I need it to do. The problem is getting started. Getting a few bits of code to run so I can understand. It will happen. I will just keep working at it until I get it working.

Paid too much money for all those cards to stop new. LOL

Thanks for all you help, BTW.

[Michael Carter]

No, it is because programming computers is a profession...

Don't expect you can just learn it by doing. It needs proper education and training.

SIOC is a tool for programmers. If you have no programming skills at all, don't use it.

More info about programming in SIOC can be found here:
http://www.lekseecon.nl/howto.html

regards,
Nico Kaan

Then I will leave programming to the professionals and stick to building.

[kiek]

Ahhh, Nico. Then why people familiar with the language, even you, have often spoke about how easy it is? You once said that if at all possible use it over IOPC because it can do so much more.

Well if you have followed my website(-s) you should know that I have always said that you need some basic skills in programming... Ofcourse I like to encourage people and to help them with examples.

In my previous post I respond to Boeing Skunk Works statement:

"Just a bunch of gibberish on a computer screen that you hope will do something if it's all perfectly, meticulously, in the correct sequence with the correct characters."

If you see it like this, then there is not much hope ...

Nico

[Michael Carter]

Well if you have followed my website(-s) you should know that I have always said that you need some basic skills in programming... Ofcourse I like to encourage people and to help them with examples.

In my previous post I respond to Boeing Skunk Works statement:

"Just a bunch of gibberish on a computer screen that you hope will do something if it's all perfectly, meticulously, in the correct sequence with the correct characters."

If you see it like this, then there is not much hope ...

Nico

That is exactly the way anyone would see a foreign language who did not understand it or took any courses in it.

It was difficult enough for me to learn German using real letters, words, and phrases when I took those courses. To see something in front of you that looks like programming with no frame of reference for what any of it means, then yes it is just jibberish.

At least with most Western foreign languages there is an inkling of familiarity with what you are looking at.

Why is it that no one has developed a programming language that understands plain english? Or even plain German for that matter.

"When I throw switch #1, Landing lights illuminate."
"When I throw Switch #10, Heading Hold is engaged and HDG HLD illuminates."

Etc., etc.

[kiek]

Why is it that no one has developed a programming language that understands plain english? Or even plain German for that matter.

The problem is that natural languagues are too ambiguous to be used to program a computer (at least the things we call a computer these days).

[BoeingNG]

Hi Guys,

Without stepping on Kiek's toes, I am happy to assist anyone with SIOC issues if you can wait a few days. I agree with the posts here that sometimes it is difficlult to grasp if you are new to programming.

Evan as a programmer in my early IT days, I found the initial SIOC learning a bit strange, but I have it cracked now. Kiek is still the main man in the SIOC world, I am just lending a hand.

Best regards,
John

[jmig]

Hi Guys,

Without stepping on Kiek's toes, I am happy to assist anyone with SIOC issues if you can wait a few days. I agree with the posts here that sometimes it is difficlult to grasp if you are new to programming.

Evan as a programmer in my early IT days, I found the initial SIOC learning a bit strange, but I have it cracked now. Kiek is still the main man in the SIOC world, I am just lending a hand.

Best regards,
John

I will gladly accept any and all assistance from you John, Nico, or anyone else. I understand the logic of the event driven language. It is the details that are tripping me up.

I have read every tutorial, PP Presentation I have found. I have struggled through the Babel translated English (Which is much easier for me to read than the native Spanish ). I thought I HAD a handle on it when I attempted to do the test coding for the three switches. Guess I was wrong.

The problem is that when things don't work as expected I don't know enough to figure out the problem.

I am like a sim only pilot who finds himself solo in a real airplane in the clouds. When vertigo sets n, I can't find the pause button.