New Updates from PM July,17th 2008

[sas550]

I have to correct myself. The lnav issue is still there. It worked however the first run i did. That's to bad. At first it felt abit like christmas.

[michelmvd]

The new builds brought a wave of corrections and line ups with the B744. This is really great. Unfortunately the common route problems with the star's (when entering route via the RTE - page) are still in place.
According Jonathan they didn't receive any complains anymore since the new builds.
Here is my routing of the test flight

EBOS- EDDP ( route : RWY 26 KOK2M KOK UL607 AMESI UN858 MASEK T200 LASTO T230 SOMKO SOMK2W 26R

Input is via RTE. First Origin / destination in RTE-page, switch to DEP/ARR for the EBOS SID, back to RTE-page for the rest of routing and the to DEP/ARR for RWY selection and STAR of Leipzig.

Maybe some users can test this flight and check for the errors ?

B. Rgds
Michel

[Peter Nielsen]

Mike,

try to enter it differently, i still dont get why you guys are entering the STAR at point of origin as you have no idea what rwy is in use at destination until you get within reach of ATC or ATIS as the case may be

Enter your ROUTE, ie origin, destination, and flight plan from initial entry fix to IAF, then enter the rest of your pre flight, ie fuel, weight, FL, temp, flaps etc. your EXEC ought to light up..

Only then based on ATIS or ATC and once you know the active rwy for departure, go back to RTE and pick the rwy and corresponding SID

forget arrival rwy and STAR altogether at this point, its irrelevant..

once within reasonable reach enter your arrival Rwy and STAR and press EXEC and it will work.

Cheers
Peter

The new builds brought a wave of corrections and line ups with the B744. This is really great. Unfortunately the common route problems with the star's (when entering route via the RTE - page) are still in place.
According Jonathan they didn't receive any complains anymore since the new builds.
Here is my routing of the test flight

EBOS- EDDP ( route : RWY 26 KOK2M KOK UL607 AMESI UN858 MASEK T200 LASTO T230 SOMKO SOMK2W 26R

Input is via RTE. First Origin / destination in RTE-page, switch to DEP/ARR for the EBOS SID, back to RTE-page for the rest of routing and the to DEP/ARR for RWY selection and STAR of Leipzig.

Maybe some users can test this flight and check for the errors ?

B. Rgds
Michel

[NicD]

Just to be clear - I never enter the STAR/RWY at origin - I always enter it airborne before top of descent, usually within about 200nm of the destination. And the error still happens.

I hope to test some of the routes you guys have posted this weekend, and will report back.

[B738]

Don't make the silly mistake I made guys. When you have the Rear Overhead enabled, you have to Align the IRS befoe you get active PFD's. I recently reloaded my CDU computer and thought that was the issue! Finally realised the issue after about 3 hrs of fault finding.

Brad.

[oal331]

Don't make the silly mistake I made guys. When you have the Rear Overhead enabled, you have to Align the IRS befoe you get active PFD's. I recently reloaded my CDU computer and thought that was the issue! Finally realised the issue after about 3 hrs of fault finding.

Brad.

Brad, i didn't test the new versions to have my opinion, but the problem as i can see is that there is no documentation about the new builds, instructions about new functions, information for bug fixes etc....... So it was not "silly mistake" as you didn't know about it.

i still dont get why you guys are entering the STAR at point of origin as you have no idea what rwy is in use at destination until you get within reach of ATC or ATIS as the case may be

Peter you have right, but it's not a wrong procedure anyway. In short domestic flights you can enter the origin STAR and Rwy in use read according current METAR or TAF and change them in case of wind change.

Best Regards

Eddie

[michelmvd]

Peter you are right, it was that way before the very accurate and computer flightplan predictions. Now (and I have checked it with several real life pilots of B744's) most of the times it is entered during the preflight. It can also be downloaded via acars. In view with the TAF's and other weatherinformation, experienced crews - common with the airport - can predict very well which rwy's and correspondenting STAR will be used.
And in case you check your atis and the SID or STAR is changed, then well they simply change it in the DEP/ARR - page. You can delete STARs, Waypoints or SID's whenever you like and add new ones. The cdu is there to help you, not be against you

Anyway will try your procedure and see if we still have these errors, but as far I know they are there always when you use the RTE-page to enter routes.

B. Rgds
Michel

[Jan Pemöller]

Correct, only when you use the RTE Page you get the problems!

on the RTE page you can enter airways and the endpoints
example: V121.TGO

Hope this will be fixed soon!
I bet the problem has something to do with the format or the page where we enter the data ...

Best regards
Jan

[Peter Nielsen]

Things are still not working..

Last night i did a short test flight in a B737-800 from EHAM to EDDE
route
ARNEM L620 SONEB/N250FL350 SUVOX UZ713 OSN UL980 DLE UL986 POVEL UZ16 GALMA Z94 ERF

Waypoints

EHAM	EHAA		N5218.5	E00445.8		104	50	317
ARNEM			N5205.8	E00604.6	L620	99	26	267
SONEB	EDLL		N5201.4	E00645.9		103	13	241
SUVOX			N5158.2	E00706.5	UZ713	57	46	228
OSN	EDWW		N5212.0	E00817.1	UL980	85	36	183
ROBEG			N5214.0	E00916.2	UL980	85	23	146
DLE			N5215.0	E00953.0	UL986	99	36	124
POVEL			N5207.7	E01049.7	UZ16	150	18	88
ABGUS			N5152.0	E01103.2	UZ16	150	17	71
KENIG	EDMM		N5137.2	E01115.9	UZ16	150	15	54
GALMA			N5123.9	E01127.1	Z94	195	28	39
ERF		113.8	N5057.1	E01114.2		277	11	11
EDDE			N5058.8	E01057.5

Departure rwy 24 Arnhem sid, some 50dme inbound DLE i entered rwy 10 and VOR/DME approach. the EXEC light DID NOT LIGHT UP, however the entire route simply disapeared the the a/c turned direct to ERF vor.

I was using the latest AIRAC pm nav files from the navigraph website though..

Peter

[sas550]

I can also confirm that the problem is there even if you use the legs page. It seems connected to certain airports or airwais. This is one that doesn't work entered either on rte page or legs page

dep ESNN

pevel
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hmr

arr ESSA

When entering the star to wich ever rwy the flightplan gets messed up heavy.