Real Throttle and Pedestal conversion project

[OmniAtlas]

Well, received this in the mail today.

http://www.mycockpit.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=11460&stc=1http://www.mycockpit.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=11461&stc=1http://www.mycockpit.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=11462&stc=1http://www.mycockpit.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=11463&stc=1http://www.mycockpit.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=11459&stc=1http://www.mycockpit.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=11458&stc=1

Back to the drawing board and the man cave...

[sstusek]

Show-off :D.
"So It Begins"...

[OmniAtlas]

Show-off :D.
"So It Begins"...

Well Simon, I know you have a completed real pedestal and photos are already floating around the mycockpit forum so I thought I would follow suit :)

[Geremy Britton]

Excellent purchase! Not something you see everyday. The fuel panel will be easy to rewire, however im unsure how airbus mechanise their throttles, I assume they are similar to the boeing design. Looks like you will either have to rework the design and cut the bottom linkages out, or dig a large whole in your floor!

Keep us updated...

[OmniAtlas]

Looks like you will either have to rework the design and cut the bottom linkages out, or dig a large whole in your floor!

Keep us updated...

Hi Geremy, don't think my neighbors, strata, or the spouse would enjoy a hole in the floor :) We will try building a platform in the future stage. I would like to maintain the throttle as it is with minimum hacking and restructuring -- there are wires that run to the front of the throttle into a cannon plug -- I am assuming this is for the backlighting and ATHR/disconnect -- do you know anywhere that sells aviation plugs? I do not want to start cutting wires!

Here is a short video of the throttle levers in action --


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UMDurnCyuzA

[Geremy Britton]

Finding an exact match for the number and lineup of pins will be difficult. Is the plug a male or female connector?

[OmniAtlas]

Finding an exact match for the number and lineup of pins will be difficult. Is the plug a male or female connector?

They are male plug connectors, will most probably go with Dupoint connectors as Simon has recommended.

I have opened up the Throttle Control Unit -- potentiometers (6 for each lever); each pot seems to have 4 wires -- does anyone have a clue why this may be the case? There is a transducer also next to the pot mechanism

http://www.mycockpit.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=11477&stc=1http://www.mycockpit.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=11478&stc=1http://www.mycockpit.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=11479&stc=1

[Golflima]

Hi,

i cant really say anything about the throttle as mine is stored a few hundred miles away at the moment but experience in converting Original Panels for the sim tells me that cutting wires makes it all way easier. Some switches, poti or Encoder of the original one have sometimes 15-20 wires, but all you need is maybe three of them. Some of them are e.g. connectors between two Potis or connectors to resistors etc - which is apparently needed in the real plane but not in the sim. And if you try to connect it via the Original Plug, it might not work.

For the poti you will most probably only need 3 wires - which will be easy in that case to find out and maybe only 1-2 potis in total. But this is just guessing. E.g. the encoder in the Radio Panel has 6 wires but works perfectly with only 5 connected. Although the wiring is somewhat different to the normal ones. It is sometimes trying trying trying;)
As soon as you find out which cable you need, cut the other ones or at least put them together and fix them somewhere so that you can keep a clean overview.

And most important....write down which cables connect which part, like for a korry what is the Switch, what the Upper/lower lights. Makes it easier for new projects and saves a lot of time if a cable sneaks out of its Position. Because so far i have not found a wiring diagramm of any real part unfortunately.
All the best and good luck for the throttle....and patience;)

I'll pick up my throttle in a few weeks when i have the space again then i can give you some more Information or help out if you still need it.

BR Volker

[OmniAtlas]

Hi Volker, yes wiring to the original wires is easier but I would cringe if I had to cut them. Still some experimenting to do here, but it looks like they wire directly to the canon plugs. I will do some more testing with a multimeter to see if the pots can be connected this way.

[sstusek]

Hi,
There is no need to cut wires. You have two resolvers and six pots for each engine. Plugs C and D are resolver plugs/pins. Plugs A and B are potentiometer plugs/pins. You only need one pot so you can try plug A pins B,J as terminals and A as wiper.

Regards,
Simon

[OmniAtlas]

Cheers Simon, will try. :cool:

http://www.mycockpit.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=11481&stc=1

[masterp]

Looking great Ben...
Good luck on your conversion and keep us update. ;-)

[OmniAtlas]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=szMyEaY8BBs&feature=youtu.be

[Golflima]

Looking great and good to know that it works without cutting them :)

Good luck and have fun with it. Nothing else is as good as a real throttle of all the parts in the sim.

[OmniAtlas]

Throttle lever pot has been wired for further testing -- no wires were cut. Thank you Simon!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aHtUwVlOiuU

[masterp]

wow you made it !! Great Job Ben ...Make sure the noise from the TQ dont wake up your wife :roll:

[OmniAtlas]

Lol, I think it will take me awhile to figure out SIOC and how to interface it with FMGS, so she can count her blessings :)

[Geremy Britton]

Great Work! :) :)

[OmniAtlas]

Back light of the throttle and trim is now complete -- however strangely enough only the bottom half lights up.

Not too sure if the top bulbs are all blown -- still trying to determine if there is additional wiring required.

http://www.mycockpit.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=11494&stc=1

[sstusek]

Hi,
I am sure lamps are out, the throttle light plate uses 12 miniature lamps T1 (ms24367-715) 5V, 0.115A. You can measure the current at 5V and with anything less than 1.38A you can assume how many lamps are out... and then soldering follows!

Regards,
Simon

[OmniAtlas]

Thanks Simon, what would we do without you. You are the A320 bible - will purchase some bulbs and try to rewire!

[tcane]

Hallo Guys,
Yesterday i got also my own original Pedestal with Throttle and Gearextension. A really great heavy metal feeling. Love it! ;)
Unfortunately, the original potentiometer and motor for Trim Wheels were removed. So i have to interfaced by my own...
I find two pins on a connector who are for the bulbs in the middle of the Throttle, knows someone the right pins which are for the rest of the lamps and perhaps has someone an idea how I can the Throttle best interface?
Here are some pictures and a Video ;)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O8BZvWw9qC8

http://www.mycockpit.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=11573&stc=1http://www.mycockpit.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=11574&stc=1http://www.mycockpit.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=11575&stc=1http://www.mycockpit.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=11576&stc=1http://www.mycockpit.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=11577&stc=1http://www.mycockpit.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=11578&stc=1http://www.mycockpit.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=11579&stc=1http://www.mycockpit.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=11580&stc=1http://www.mycockpit.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=11581&stc=1

[OmniAtlas]

Hi Tcane -- first of all, congratulations with the throttle purchase; I think we are all on the same page -- trying to figure out how to interface the TQ with FMGS/Flight Simulator, and fixing her up :)

It looks like all the bulbs on your TQ may be intact and is useful; It looks like I have to solder in at least half of the bulbs on mine. It is great you also have the telephone module included.

I have attached a picture (annotated by Simon) which may be helpful in determining how to wire up the TQ. There are schematics which I hope to put up on the website soon.

It looks like the outer protective clear layer of ?paint is peeling from the trim of the TQ, much like mine -- have you decided if you are going to leave it as it is -- or remove it?

Regards

http://www.mycockpit.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=11583&stc=1

[tcane]

Hey Omni,

First, A Big thank you for your picture with the right wiring. It will helps me very much!

All Bulbs are not intact, the left yellow reverse does´t work, but i think i can fix this more easier as interfacing the Throttle and the Trimwheel. ;)

Yeah right, the outer protective layer seems to peeling from the trim. It looks not so nice and i think that I covers the lettering with the backlight and made a new paintshop with the right color. That will be a hard work, but I hope it's worth it. By the way: Someone knows the right color? :)

I´m a little bit surprised because the Scala for Thrimwheellettering on the left and right side are not backlighted! But i see a photo of an original Throttle (https://c2.staticflickr.com/8/7335/10546027133_74638601b1_b.jpg) there was it. Anybody an idea what is here wrong?
Here is a picture what i mean: http://www.mycockpit.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=11586&stc=1

Regards
Florian

[tcane]

Ok, so i find out that behind the Trimwheel Scala there is a small plate with bulbs. I shone with a flashlight through the gap.
Currently I don´t know if the bulbs are broken or is there a broken line. Does anyone know how to get behind the cover and the bulbs without much workload? I can not imagine that this is so complicated, because for maintenance, but i did´t find the right way until now?

Cheers and thank you for your help
Florian

[OmniAtlas]

Hi Florian, only the forward section of the trim wheels are backlit. Here is a shot of my throttle -On the trimscales itself it should be fully lit ("TOGA" to "REV" -- CL to TOGA bulbs are blown).

http://www.mycockpit.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=11591&stc=1

[tcane]

Hi Omni,

Ok, but my complete Trimindicator (Number UP/Down etc.) doesn´t work. Did you know, how can i open it for a repair? And is the same wire/line from the Lever-Scala for the Trim-Scala?

[sstusek]

Hi Tcane,

It looks like we have another confirmed case of OEM parts infection :)
I see that Ben has already answered most of your questions including wire picture. Unfortunately I can't give you exact pin-out as my pedestal came without these cannon connectors but if you examine the picture figuring out the pins shouldn't be that difficult unless all the bulbs are burnt! Backlight pins for throttle and trim scales are in the central connector 2139VC. There are 10 pins 2 for throttle scale, 2 for left trim, 2 for right trim and 4 for gravity gear handle panel at the back (2 for left and 2 for right panel).

As you can see L/R trim scales have separate pins/wires. Each trim scale wheel has a bulb prism inside that illuminates the trim scale from about full rev to CL.
http://www.mycockpit.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=11594&stc=1 (http://s4.mojalbum.com/13675604_16699921_23222483/a320/23222483_z.jpg)
http://www.mycockpit.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=11593&stc=1

If you want to change a trim bulbs you will have to remove trim wheels and trim scale wheels to get to bulb prisms. Happy pin hunting... actually I would be interested in correct pinout when you find it.

Cheers,
Simon

[OmniAtlas]

Cheers for the pictures Simon.

Here are are mine for the trim backlight and auto thrust disconnect -
http://www.mycockpit.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=11595&stc=1http://www.mycockpit.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=11597&stc=1http://www.mycockpit.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=11598&stc=1http://www.mycockpit.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=11599&stc=1

[OmniAtlas]

Shots of the middle canon plug may not be too clear. Here is the wiring for the trim scale and trim wheel backlight only. As you can see they share a ground.

http://www.mycockpit.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=11600&stc=1

[Geremy Britton]

Truly excellent work, well done! I come across real panels and parts all the time, if only I had the expertise, knowledge and time to be able to bring some of them to life :(

[tcane]

Thank you Simon for your explain and photos! Great shoots! ;)

I have already expanded the connectors, because i didn´t need it and new wiring is for me a little bit easier then. On the middle connector was three white wires and 4 blue wires. The blue wires are for the gravity Gear handle. The three white wires had one a smaller diameter as the other two. When i connect one big wire to the + the Leverscala works, the other wire does´t work. I think thats the wire for the two Trimwheels Scala. If I followed the cable, there is a current distributor. Now there are two possibilities. First: The wire for the Trimwheel Scala is broke. Second: All the bulbs in the Scala are damaged and need a change.
For the ATH/DISC i had the same wiring diagram like Omni.
But know a question about possibility. I can not believe, that you have to remove all the trim wheel parts to maintenance only the bulbs. That´s a really heavy workload in contra to the Lever Scala. Can it be that just the Lever is only removed? I had seen a picture where you can see a type of VGA port, where the Lever was. If not, which is the right tool to remove the trim wheel?
I try it with a 12 Socket for ratchet. I hope thats the right name in english ;) And of course, sorry for my bad english. :D

Cheers Florian

[jeddmc]

Hi...omni

would you give info for dimensions of gravity gear extn handle
kind hard to find it on market :D


thanks

[OmniAtlas]

Hi...omni

would you give info for dimensions of gravity gear extn handle
kind hard to find it on market :D


thanks

You're in luck, there is a gravity gear extn handle for sale (without the panels) if you are interested.

[sstusek]

Hi Florian,

You are right, it is possible to remove upper part of throttle control lever and cover with throttle light scale but I am almost sure that won't give you enough space to remove trim light prisms! In order to get to the bulbs you have to unscrew and remove prisms completely. Therefore I think it is necessary to remove both pitch trim and scale wheels.
Cheers,
Simon

... I can not believe, that you have to remove all the trim wheel parts to maintenance only the bulbs. That´s a really heavy workload in contra to the Lever Scala. Can it be that just the Lever is only removed? I had seen a picture where you can see a type of VGA port, where the Lever was...
Cheers Florian

[tcane]

Hi All,

Yes Simon, you are right, too!
It was much easier to remove the Trim-Wheel and Scala. Can´t open the Screws of the lever, they were trapped.
2 Bulbs was damaged, but the strangest thing was the connection one of this prism. Ground and + was the Same wire! Very strange and i think there was something wrong. I cut all the wires and made a new one... Now all works fine and by the way i can clean up the Toothwheels and the Inside of the Lever with a little bit WD40. ;)

Now i have to look, what is the easiest way to interface the lever and motorize the Trimwheel.
Some pictures from inside:
http://www.mycockpit.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=11605&stc=1http://www.mycockpit.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=11606&stc=1http://www.mycockpit.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=11607&stc=1http://www.mycockpit.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=11608&stc=1http://www.mycockpit.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=11610&stc=1http://www.mycockpit.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=11611&stc=1http://www.mycockpit.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=11613&stc=1http://www.mycockpit.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=11614&stc=1

[tcane]

And the Backlight.http://www.mycockpit.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=11615&stc=1http://www.mycockpit.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=11616&stc=1

[OmniAtlas]

Very interesting pictures Tcane! I have yet to take apart my trim wheels so your pictures will be helpful.

Have you decided if you will repaint the trim wheels with the new black and white design? I would also like to do so, but do not know the measurements.

I would also like to hear your ideas on how you will attach a motor to the trim wheel.

[Beret]

Hi all

I have also an real Throttle at home. The use the Throttle I have mounted a wooden shaft to the turn point in the box below. Then I put a poti in. You have to cut some parts away to make it.
For the trimwheel have some test, but nothing that works good for me. So it is still unter construction.

If desired I can later make some picture.

[OmniAtlas]

Had a good look at one of the Airbus eng panel annunciators --

http://www.mycockpit.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=11625&stc=1http://www.mycockpit.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=11626&stc=1http://www.mycockpit.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=11627&stc=1

[tcane]

Hallo All,

I don´t know with the Trimwheels @ the moment. I like the new design much more, but there is also much work to change. I think i repaint only the original. Will see...

For the Lever-interfacing, I will do the same as Beret. Later i go to the FABLAB and made an 3D Print for the turn point in the box and cutting an Acryl with the laser for the Poti- and maybe a Toothwheelsupport.

Because of the motorization:
The problem is also that we need something like a poti for the correct Trimwheelposition. I'm not sure, but I think a stepping motor can still query the positions, or? An advantage would be that you could make the trim manually.
For the Integration: I think something like a Toothwheel from a bicycle that works with the Chain?!

Does anyone know if you can drive a stepper motor, like this one (https://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/NEMA-17-STEPPER-MOTOR-1-68A_60354414477.html?spm=a2700.7724857.0.0.nqXzWz&s=p), with a Opencockpits Card?

Cheers Florian

By the way: The last day i pulled out the Throttle from the pedestal, Heavy workload and very much screws. I hope all the Screws find the way back to the right hole. :D
http://www.mycockpit.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=11628&stc=1http://www.mycockpit.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=11629&stc=1http://www.mycockpit.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=11630&stc=1

[OmniAtlas]

Hi Florian,

There is no need to build toothwheels or a chain to drive the trim wheel shaft. I have seen photos of our fellow cockpit builders, also with genuine throttles and they have mounted a motor directly to the shaft.

Regards,

Ben

[tcane]

Hi Ben,
The Chain is already there and for the responsible for the attack of the Trimwheelend. Do you have a link of these photos that you have seen? And which Trim Wheel Shaft did you mean, can you explain it with a photo maybe?

Regards,
Florian

[OmniAtlas]

Hi Florian, check your PM.

[OmniAtlas]

Some more parts to play with --

https://s31.postimg.org/hyjgkuu5z/IMG_4498.jpg (https://postimg.org/image/hyjgkuu5z/)
Radio panel + Switching


https://s31.postimg.org/qi2uim2if/IMG_4528.jpg (https://postimg.org/image/qi2uim2if/)
Parking brake panel


https://s31.postimg.org/x9t9lgrhz/IMG_4531.jpg (https://postimg.org/image/x9t9lgrhz/)
Captain side flood lighting

https://s31.postimg.org/qxe4bmofr/IMG_4532.jpg (https://postimg.org/image/qxe4bmofr/)


https://s31.postimg.org/j61zqt9o7/IMG_4534.jpg (https://postimg.org/image/j61zqt9o7/)
WAMCO bulbs to replace the blown bulbs!

https://s31.postimg.org/v97bedkqf/IMG_4535.jpg (https://postimg.org/image/v97bedkqf/)
This is the flood panel -- I've pretty much figured out all the connections, but one has me really puzzled, the SLIDER/WIPER connection on the pot for the underglare flood light (left pot).

Is anyone familiar with this potentiometer? There is a double redundancy (two pots) connected to the same shaft. 4 wires exit the pots (2 for the top, 2 for the bottom), they are the ends....but where can I find the wiper connection? There are no other wires.

Big mystery...

[iwik]

Ben,
Put a meter across the two connections and turn the pot, resistance will change as it may just be a rheostat. Just a fancy resistor connected in series with the bulbs. Turning the pot changes the resistance and hence brightness. Early GA planes used this method, very crude.
Les

[OmniAtlas]

Hi Les, I think you are absolutely correct - it also looks like a rheostat. I will attempt to wire directly.

Thanks!

[iwik]

Just make sure the pot is a wire wound one, has to be able to take Bulb current.
Les

[tcane]

Hi All,

Nice Stuff Ben! From where did you get it?

The last days im interfacing the two Levers and it works now! ;) Making a 3D Print and passing it in the socket of the lever. The Diameter for this is between 17mm and 18 mm depending on printer accuracy. Inside the Printe is a hole where i put an Axis aluminum rod at its end a gear sitting connected to the potti.
I think this Videos explain it better.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wB_YRMhTpyA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4OKqoHLtSy0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s9gVkpGR__c

For the Trimwheel-motorization i got some very nice inputs and it will be realized with a NEMA 17 14:1 Planet Geare, HKT22 optical Encoder that back sitting on the stepper and a Arduino with LUA Script. The Encoder Problem with the 0 Position is no problem because the original Trimwheelconstruction has an end stop on each side, so i can programming an initializing for that.

Cheers
Florian

[OmniAtlas]

Just make sure the pot is a wire wound one, has to be able to take Bulb current.
Les

Hi Les, IT WORKS.

http://www.mycockpit.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=11643&stc=1

I am very surprised this 16 year old piece of equipment is functioning....Amazing bringing it back to life. I believe the 2 rheostats are there not for redundancy, but because 1 controls the left section underglade, and the otherside controls the right so the current doesn't drop in the bulb series.

Right now I have the bulbs wired in parallel running of one 12V controlled by the rheostat, it isn't too bad so I think I will leave it as it is.

The integral back lighting is also wired up -

http://www.mycockpit.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=11644&stc=1

It seems most of the bulbs are blown on the flood capt panel...I am having trouble removing the grub screws on one of the switches, so I can take the panel off and replace the bulbs...but I guess that will be another story, another day for this cockpit builder.

[OmniAtlas]

For the Trimwheel-motorization i got some very nice inputs and it will be realized with a NEMA 17 14:1 Planet Geare, HKT22 optical Encoder that back sitting on the stepper and a Arduino with LUA Script. The Encoder Problem with the 0 Position is no problem because the original Trimwheelconstruction has an end stop on each side, so i can programming an initializing for that.

Cheers
Florian

Very nice Florian, let me know how you go with the motorization. Brian has also offered his SIOC script so it looks like there are several ways to go by this --

1. Opencockpits + SIOC
2. Phidgets
3. Ardruino + LUA (your solution).

I have a dc motor with encoder on the way to test so we will see how that works. I may just go with OC because it looks like there are already scripts our fellow cockpit members use.

[tcane]

I think a dc Motor is not so accuracy like a stepper, but with a gear it maybe works also good like an Stepper. I have a DC Motorcard from OC here and my first plan was also to make it with SIOC and a DC Motor.
The Arduino +LUA works with a Phidgets Nema17, or did you mean only with a Phidgetscard? Which Software did you use to communicate with Jeehell?

The main problem for me is to Trimm it manual! I think when the stepper works i can´t grab in to the Handwheel and trimm manual, like in real when you are on Ground and making the preflight procedures. Maybe someone has an idea how can i fix it? Or did you mean there is no problem with manual trimming?

[OmniAtlas]

Hi Florian, check out this thread -- http://www.mycockpit.org/forums/showthread.php?t=30694&page=2

Robert has written a program to interface with a DC motor. You can write to him for a copy.

It was programmed for the FDS throttle but should work with any DC motor. Feedback is provided to a potentiometer, I haven't figured out that part yet.

Yes, it allows for manual trimming on the ground.

[OmniAtlas]

Changing the bulbs for the trim on the throttle...its was actually very enjoyable seeing it all light up again :)

http://www.mycockpit.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=11652&stc=1Before the new bulbs are soldered on -- you can see there are several blown.
http://www.mycockpit.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=11653&stc=1http://www.mycockpit.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=11654&stc=1All ready and set to go!

[OmniAtlas]

Backup A320 MIC (for the 3rd seat) -- guess I will use this for 'decor'.

http://www.mycockpit.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=11719&stc=1

[OmniAtlas]

ATC/TCAS Panel

http://www.mycockpit.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=11768&stc=1http://www.mycockpit.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=11769&stc=1

Managed to get the backlight working --

http://www.mycockpit.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=11770&stc=1

[dcutugno]

Hi guys, i need your help can anyone make a replace piece of the C.G wheel trim indicator? mine is cracked here is a shot:
http://www.mycockpit.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=11772&stc=1http://www.mycockpit.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=11773&stc=1http://www.mycockpit.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=11774&stc=1

[dcutugno]

Also OmniAtlas or someone can show me how the detents are made? the only working ones that i have are the idle rev, the CLB-MCT-TOGA are missing i think 'cause it is all stripped so i need to replicate them can someone make a closer shoots?

[spiliot]

And I was wondering who was the lucky ebay buyer of this quadrant :)

In the downloads section of mycockpit.org there are a series of accurate (official?) drawings for the throttle assembly. If I remember correctly the detents are produced by a spring/ball mechanism in the counter arm assembly that's about a meter below the throttle...

[OmniAtlas]

Yes, I was also wondering who was the winning bidder for this ebay TQ :)

Looks like you have the new style trim wheels which is great.

Regarding the detents, Airbus has a throttle control unit interface which is quite a complex affair --

http://www.mycockpit.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=11775&stc=1

[dcutugno]

Yes, guys i was the lucky winner ;) Thanks for the diagram, but can't figure out the mechanical box working, on a side note where do you got the replaced bulbs?

[Golflima]

Hey,

i have around 40 bulbs in spare. Drop me a line if you need/want some.
I'll have to check the price again, but i think it was around 80 cent per piece.

Volker

[OmniAtlas]

Yes, guys i was the lucky winner ;) Thanks for the diagram, but can't figure out the mechanical box working, on a side note where do you got the replaced bulbs?

Bulb information is available here -- http://flightsystem.wixsite.com/airbus/builder-notes

I am transitioning away from WIX.

The new blog can be accessed at http://soarbywire.com

[dcutugno]

what is best stepper to use direct to trim wheel, Nema 17 or 23 0.9?

[tcane]

Hi,

I use a NEMA 17 with a 14:1 Planetary and Fidget Optical Rotary Encoder HKT22
that works with a DRV8825 and a ARDUINO. For communication with the Flighsimulator i use a LUA-Script, but this and the Arduinosketch still needs some improvement.
Here is a short Video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6xcAzqjXcHA

[Beret]

Hi tcane

May you can give us the LUA-Script for the communication?

Regards Guido

[tcane]

Hallo Guido,

Sorry @ the moment i can´t give you the Script, because it´s still under development and i´m not the author of the script.
I would like to ask, but he is currently not attainable. Sorry. :(

Cheers
Florian

[OmniAtlas]

Not related to the pedestal but I thought I'll share some images of the gear mechanism. Its stuck now -- does anyone here have any experience with solenoids? Looks like it may need 28 Volts AC supply?

Regards.

https://s17.postimg.org/620s5uzx7/img_4741.jpg (https://postimg.org/image/620s5uzx7/)


https://s17.postimg.org/yg67pqnh7/img_4742.jpg (https://postimg.org/image/yg67pqnh7/)


https://s17.postimg.org/52aha5krf/img_4743.jpg (https://postimg.org/image/52aha5krf/)


https://s17.postimg.org/qpzfkll5n/img_4744.jpg (https://postimg.org/image/qpzfkll5n/)


https://s17.postimg.org/ozgej43mj/img_4746.jpg (https://postimg.org/image/ozgej43mj/)


https://s17.postimg.org/ahj7b4cbf/img_4747.jpg (https://postimg.org/image/ahj7b4cbf/)


https://s17.postimg.org/j12l8vknv/img_4748.jpg (https://postimg.org/image/j12l8vknv/)

[OmniAtlas]

With the help of Simon, solenoid is now functioning and the gear can be released.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=41983CjyWJI&feature=youtu.be

[OmniAtlas]

AFT overhead circuit breaker. Looks complex. Maybe one day JL will implement failures to facilitate this piece of hardware ;-)

http://www.mycockpit.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=11848&stc=1
http://www.mycockpit.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=11849&stc=1

[OmniAtlas]

Thales MCDU. Hate to do it, but only way to get this to work is to gut the machine....

http://www.mycockpit.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=11855&stc=1http://www.mycockpit.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=11856&stc=1http://www.mycockpit.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=11857&stc=1
http://www.mycockpit.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=11858&stc=1http://www.mycockpit.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=11859&stc=1

[Beret]

If you find a way to use the monitor, let me know. I have also one at home, but i haven't find a way to use the monitor.

[OmniAtlas]

I believe the monitor is not usable. The plan is to replace the monitor, and internals.

[OmniAtlas]

Cockpit door panel:

https://soarbywire.files.wordpress.com/2016/11/img_4945.jpg (https://soarbywire.files.wordpress.com/2016/11/img_4945.jpg?w=900&h=300&crop=1)

Flood / Integ Lt panel:

https://soarbywire.files.wordpress.com/2016/11/img_4939.jpg (https://soarbywire.files.wordpress.com/2016/11/img_4939.jpg?w=900&h=300&crop=1)

Pinouts on the website.

[OmniAtlas]

A few shots of the overhead panels -- figuring out the schematics and wiring these panels will be difficult.

https://soarbywire.files.wordpress.com/2016/12/l1010154.jpg?w=1200&h=&crop=1https://soarbywire.files.wordpress.com/2016/12/l1010155.jpg?w=1200&h=&crop=1https://soarbywire.files.wordpress.com/2016/12/l1010153.jpg?w=1200&h=&crop=1https://soarbywire.files.wordpress.com/2016/12/l1010152.jpg?w=1200&h=&crop=1https://soarbywire.files.wordpress.com/2016/12/l1010151.jpg?w=1200&h=&crop=1https://soarbywire.files.wordpress.com/2016/12/l1010150.jpg?w=1200&h=&crop=1https://soarbywire.files.wordpress.com/2016/12/l1010149.jpg?w=1200&h=&crop=1https://soarbywire.files.wordpress.com/2016/12/l1010148.jpg?w=1200&h=&crop=1https://soarbywire.files.wordpress.com/2016/12/l1010147.jpg?w=1200&h=&crop=1

[OmniAtlas]

MIP panels

https://soarbywire.files.wordpress.com/2016/12/l1010197.jpg?w=1000&h=&crop=1https://soarbywire.files.wordpress.com/2016/12/l1010199.jpg?w=1000&h=&crop=1https://soarbywire.files.wordpress.com/2016/12/l1010198.jpg?w=1000&h=&crop=1

Merry Christmas and Happy New Year all. The challenge next year will be trying to interface all of this with FMGS!

[OmniAtlas]

Sidesticks and tillers

https://soarbywire.files.wordpress.com/2016/12/l1010463.jpg?w=1000&h=&crop=1
https://soarbywire.files.wordpress.com/2016/12/l1010464.jpg?w=1000&h=&crop=1
https://soarbywire.files.wordpress.com/2016/12/l1010466.jpg?w=700&h=&crop=1
https://soarbywire.files.wordpress.com/2016/12/l1010468.jpg?w=700&h=&crop=1

[Fritz]

Congratulation for getting this real parts.

[OmniAtlas]

Cheers Fritz, congratulations on evolving your Sim now with a cockpit door :)

The difficult part now will be trying to interface it with the sim.
No transducers so I will need to make a mechanism (sliding pots) to translate the movements into joystick commands. The solenoid will also require some work and logic to do its magic --

When AP1 or AP2 = on, supply 28V to solenoid.
On AP1 or AP2 disconnect, cut 28V supply. Or perhaps link it up to the amount of joystick transnational movement pass the threshold. From the FCOM:

SIDESTICKS
Sidesticks, one on each lateral console, are used for manual pitch and roll control.They are springloaded to neutral.When the autopilot is engaged a solenoid operated detent locks both sidesticks in the neutral position. If the pilot applies a force above a given threshold (5daN in pitch, 3.5 daN in roll) the autopilot disengages and the stick becomes unlocked and the deflection is sent as command to the computers.

[OmniAtlas]

Video of the sidesticks in 'action'.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TRxCxjABADg

[OmniAtlas]

A320 Sextant (Thales) FCU

https://soarbywire.files.wordpress.com/2017/01/l1010492.jpg?w=610
https://soarbywire.files.wordpress.com/2017/01/l1010487.jpg?w=1000&h=&crop=1
https://soarbywire.files.wordpress.com/2017/01/l1010488.jpg?w=1000&h=&crop=1
https://soarbywire.files.wordpress.com/2017/01/l1010489.jpg?w=1000&h=&crop=1
https://soarbywire.files.wordpress.com/2017/01/l1010512.jpg?w=1000&h=&crop=1


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-PJZn6ppkJc

[brianwilliamson]

Looks great Ben.............but how did you get the interface to work ???

It will be one of the great projects when you get it all up and running.

..........BrianW.

[OmniAtlas]

Interfacing is not complete. 28V is all you need to get the LCD to become alive. Talking to flight simulator will be another story!

I can confirm the FCU has white digits, however this can change and tint when the LCD backlight display is on.

[OmniAtlas]

http://www.mycockpit.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=12124&stc=1 http://www.mycockpit.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=12125&stc=1

Spoilers/Speed Brake and Flaps Panel

[xplanematt]

That's a nice looking unit. If it uses ARINC 429, it should be totally doable to interface.

Matt

[Beret]

Hi
How do you have realized the backlight control?

Guido

[OmniAtlas]

Backlight is being controlled by the FDS distribution boards, however I am having trouble using genuine airbus pots with the board as they are rated at 470 ohms. Right now they are directly plugged into 5v. The FDS backlight boards use 50k pots. Anyone have a solution?

Regards.

[sstusek]

Hi, well why don't you just use the 50k pot instead of the original 470 ohm pot, it's just a pot ;). You can modify (grind off) the pot shaft into a D shape so the genuine knob will fit. Just a thought.

Cheers,
Simon

[OmniAtlas]

Don't have the necessary tools to grind metal from a small pot; I've been looking for plastic ones, or perhaps this?

https://www.fliptops.net/catalog/p-100322/50k-linear-taper-d-shaft-pot-long-tine-pc

[OmniAtlas]

Backlighht integral lighting, pushbutton lighting are all working well.

http://www.mycockpit.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=12179&stc=1

Good news - Christoph (Cockpit Concept) has completed the FCU ARINC429 interface and it is also now working with FMGS and in production. https://www.facebook.com/CockpitConcept/?hc_ref=PAGES_TIMELINE&fref=nf

[spiliot]

Looks great, like the real thing - oh wait :)))

I was always wondering how many steps (clicks) per rotation is each rotary. I guess they are all the same but is it indeed so even for example the baro one? And since on the subject, how much travel does push and pull require to engage?

[OmniAtlas]

I was always wondering how many steps (clicks) per rotation is each rotary. I guess they are all the same but is it indeed so even for example the baro one? And since on the subject, how much travel does push and pull require to engage?

I've put up another video which may help:


http://youtu.be/eLjf9YvK-J0

[spiliot]

Thanks for the video but unfortunately it's not possible to figure the rotation steps from it.

If you could help with that it would be great, you don't even have to turn it on. Just start with the heading indicator triangle pointing in a certain location and slowly rotate it in one direction counting the clicks until it comes back to the same direction. Looks like it is around 20+4 but this makes a huge difference.

PS. I was surprised to see the rotaries skip steps and/or backslashing when turned to fast, exactly like what the cheap mechanical ones I use do. I expected the real thing to not have that problem!

[OmniAtlas]

Thanks for the video but unfortunately it's not possible to figure the rotation steps from it.


Just for you spiliot:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xvDs_J750Kk&feature=youtu.be

[spiliot]

Oh finally! Thanks man. It is 32 steps per rotation after all (or perhaps 30 if you didn't skip a couple in the video that I counted as double but won't make a huge difference).

[OmniAtlas]

PS. I was surprised to see the rotaries skip steps and/or backslashing when turned to fast, exactly like what the cheap mechanical ones I use do. I expected the real thing to not have that problem!

Maybe because the equipment is over 30 years old, lol :)

For those that are interested, this is what it looks like inside:

http://www.mycockpit.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=12196&stc=1

[Beret]

Hi OmniAtlas

Have you find a screen for the MCDU?

Best Regards
Guido

[OmniAtlas]

No - at this stage we are going to turn on the mcdu and see if we can work directly with it You need 115 AC and a fair bit of current.

[Geremy Britton]

I enjoy following this thread, there really is no comparison between the real deal. Good to see you have preserved the parts but also trying to get them powered up. :)

[OmniAtlas]

I enjoy following this thread, there really is no comparison between the real deal. Good to see you have preserved the parts but also trying to get them powered up. :)


Cheers Geremy, a challenge, but fun!

Next step is the MCDU. Got the screen to turn on today...

http://www.mycockpit.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=12226&stc=1

[OmniAtlas]

GMT 4200 Electronic Clock

http://www.mycockpit.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=12236&stc=1


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XZRbcPcZzuA

Unfortunately the UTC display isn't working correctly -- anyone have any experience fixing these types of displays?

[OmniAtlas]

A few more to play with and try and figure out how to interface with FMGS -

http://www.mycockpit.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=12252&stc=1
http://www.mycockpit.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=12253&stc=1
http://www.mycockpit.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=12254&stc=1
http://www.mycockpit.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=12255&stc=1

[OmniAtlas]

Hi guys, just wanted to let you know David has made some good progress with the RMP interfacing:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G_t6lDYPZPw

[spiliot]

Is David here on the forum? If not maybe you could point him to my RMP virtual panel code, I'm pretty sure he'll be able to pick up the code and interface it easily to the hardware (if not I'm always available to help).

[OmniAtlas]

Is David here on the forum? If not maybe you could point him to my RMP virtual panel code, I'm pretty sure he'll be able to pick up the code and interface it easily to the hardware (if not I'm always available to help).

Yes, I'll ask him to contact you, cheers :)

[daviszo]

Hi everyone! : )


I'm Dávid, the guy who's working on the ARINC429-FSX interface mentioned above by Ben. I asked him and he gave me the all-clear to post my newest update video about it in this thread.


I migrated to C# from VB and started from scratch. I added Simconnect functionality and improved things veeeery slightly on the Serial side. I also ported some useable code from my VB test program and used them as the skeleton to make more efficient functions.
The program reads every line of incoming data, however at the moment it only uses data that has the label "030", which is the label for "VHF FREQ".


While VHF1 sets COM1 in FSX normally, I decided to use VHF3 as a placeholder to set COM2. This was done temporarily to save time spent on wiring and soldering up another ARINC channel and messing with the Arduino wires and code. In the near future, I'll improve the current Arduino=>PC protocol a bit and add multi-channel capabilities.

Here's a video of the RMP working with FSX. If you want to skip the introduction and preparation, go to 2:24 where I tune into the ATIS.
Pardon the stuttering, I'm still not used to talking on cam, and I made this video 2 minutes after I woke up.:)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pXbcg6Z6Fn0

[OmniAtlas]

Excellent work David, you've made great progress in such few days. Awesome work!

[daviszo]

Thank you very much for your kind words and support! I will try my best to keep making progress "at the speed of a Concorde" ;)

[OmniAtlas]

A few Captain Window liner shots

http://www.mycockpit.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=12326&stc=1http://www.mycockpit.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=12327&stc=1http://www.mycockpit.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=12328&stc=1

http://www.mycockpit.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=12329&stc=1 http://www.mycockpit.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=12330&stc=1

[OmniAtlas]

Moving onto the next big stage of the build -- ARINC429 interfacing --


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NrZU62PVZwc&feature=youtu.be

[OmniAtlas]

The ECP has now been successfully interfaced with Jeehell FMGS with Cockpit Concept ARINC429 boards -- it was a straight forward procedure, and very minimal wiring required.

http://www.mycockpit.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=12345&stc=1


http://youtu.be/6QDLpb5kfKw

[cmdr114b]

Nice work Ben!

[OmniAtlas]

A review of the Cockpit Concept ARINC 429 boards which made this all possible: https://soarbywire.wordpress.com/2017/06/12/arinc-429-the-final-frontier-cockpit-concept-arinc-board-review/

[OmniAtlas]

RMP now successfully linked up with P3D and Vatsim/IVAO


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1V7aVbIZaF4

[OmniAtlas]

Rudder Trim has now been successfully interfaced:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LvBreUx1rzY

Pinouts at http://www.soarbywire.com/…/09/08/rudder-trim-panel-pinouts/ (http://www.soarbywire.com/2017/09/08/rudder-trim-panel-pinouts/)

[OmniAtlas]

Performed an engine failure, and it looks like FMGS does a very good job compensating with rudder autotrim :)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w6P212ugDDQ

[cmdr114b]

Good work Ben, are you using ARINC 429 for this as well?
John

[OmniAtlas]

Yes, using Christoph's ARINC 429 boards. They are very easy to work with - only two wires for the Rudder Trim panel.

[turbovela]

And the Backlight.http://www.mycockpit.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=11615&stc=1http://www.mycockpit.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=11616&stc=1

hi Ben, I was wondering what did you use to connect the 5v power for the backlite? Can you show a picture of that connection? I have real glarewings that have the same type of connections as yours here on your pic.

thanks

jose

[OmniAtlas]

hi Ben, I was wondering what did you use to connect the 5v power for the backlite? Can you show a picture of that connection? I have real glarewings that have the same type of connections as yours here on your pic.

thanks

jose

There are pinouts at the back of the pedestal:

http://www.mycockpit.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=12508&stc=1

[turbovela]

Hey Ben, thanks for the reply, I was actually asking about this connection. http://www.mycockpit.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=12509&stc=1

[OmniAtlas]

Difficult to find the sirio panel connectors (I haven't found any on sale) - if you have some female canon plug wires lying around you can try and plug one end in, and contact the outer metal part with the other.

Alternatively just plug it into the socket it is suppose to go to and connect to the pins using dupont connectors.

[turbovela]

Ben,

thanks for the reply, I did test the bulbs and have some that are not working, just wondering if you used any specific kind of bulb to replace them? Thanks

Jose

[OmniAtlas]

Have a read here - https://soarbywire.wordpress.com/builder-notes/

[turbovela]

Thanks Ben, I will place an order for replacement bulbs today!!!

[OmniAtlas]

Solenoid Lock now implemented using Arduino, Mobiflight, and a relay board:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NP-FKekLYHo

[OmniAtlas]

I've written up a short tutorial on how to get the solenoid working with Arduino and a relay switch -

http://www.soarbywire.com/2017/11/13/sidestick-solenoid-lock/

[turbovela]

Thanks Ben!!! bulbs have been ordered and should get them sometime today, i only needed 3 since one of the glarewings was operational.

[turbovela]

http://www.mycockpit.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=12519&stc=1

[turbovela]

Hi again, sorry for asking again but I ordered the bulbs for my panel, but they are smaller than the ones already there. In the pic I show the difference between both. I ordered the T-1 7152 5V 115mA 11-10980 (tel:11-10980) (#7152 Miniature Bead Grain of Wheat Bulb 5v); But do I need the #680 Minature Bead Grain? Thanks!!!
Or will those work?

http://www.mycockpit.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=12522&stc=1http://www.mycockpit.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=12521&stc=1

[OmniAtlas]

If you read on my website (I've cut and pasted here):

T-1 7152 5V 115mA 11-10980 (#7152 Miniature Bead Grain of Wheat Bulb 5v)
Available at Aircraft Spruce (http://www.aircraftspruce.com/) or Memotronics (http://www.memotronics.com/)
** Overhead ADIRS and Fire panel operate at half the wattage (0.3 W) and require different bulbs (#680 Minature Bead Grain)

You should *only* use bulb 680 for panels that require half the wattage.

[Ridha]

Hi,
Omniatlas
Where did you find this captain side window ?
Is it easy to buy .

Thank you for replay
Ridha

[OmniAtlas]

Hi,
Omniatlas
Where did you find this captain side window ?
Is it easy to buy .

Thank you for replay
Ridha

It is extremely difficult to source liners. They are usually not sold individually, but instead with the whole flight deck. It is best to source by e-bay, or purchase a replica if you need this part. Or, you can just purchase a whole flight deck :)

[OmniAtlas]

The first generation ECP has been repainted. Its really difficult to match Airbus grey!

https://soarbywire.files.wordpress.com/2017/11/img-20171117-wa0002.jpeg?w=610&zoom=2

https://soarbywire.files.wordpress.com/2017/11/mvimg_20171126_150005.jpg?w=588&zoom=2

https://soarbywire.files.wordpress.com/2017/11/mvimg_20171126_175433.jpg?w=610&zoom=2

[spiliot]

The result is spectacular! Which color did you use in the end?

[OmniAtlas]

The result is spectacular! Which color did you use in the end?

They eyeballed it and mixed the paint, I had to provide a sample of the colour I wanted.

[OmniAtlas]

Genuine ACP has now been successfully interface with Jeehell FMGS 49.0


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rd_qlFlanAg&feature=youtu.be

[iwik]

Well done Ben, i/f the real gear is a real temptation. Keep the pics coming.
On another note can you tell me the color of the 7 segment displays in the FCU .
Thanks
Les

[OmniAtlas]

Hi Les,

There are different hues depending if you are using an older type FCU, or the the more recent FCU's installed in the Buses these days.

I can't speak for the new type FCU, but if you are planning to design around an older FCU the display has a reddish darker tone

https://soarbywire.files.wordpress.com/2017/03/img_6022.jpg

[iwik]

Thanks Ben.
Regards
Les

[OmniAtlas]

I've finally received the complete interiors of an A319 - I can now work from the base up with all OEM parts. Integration with Jeehell's FMGS should be seamless thanks to the hardware support by Christoph and Jean Luc.

Unfortunately most likely Its going to take a few more months (years) to get it in a running state.

More pictures of course at my blog http://www.soarbywire.com

https://soarbywire.files.wordpress.com/2017/12/img_20171207_172108.jpg?w=1077&h=&zoom=2
https://soarbywire.files.wordpress.com/2017/12/img_20171207_185808.jpg?w=1077&h=&zoom=2
https://soarbywire.files.wordpress.com/2017/12/img_20171207_182326.jpg?w=875&h=

https://soarbywire.files.wordpress.com/2017/12/img_20171207_183402.jpg?w=606&h=&zoom=2
https://soarbywire.files.wordpress.com/2017/12/img-20171207-wa0037.jpeg?w=1436&h=&zoom=2
https://soarbywire.files.wordpress.com/2017/12/img_20171208_121342.jpg?w=222&h=166&zoom=2
https://soarbywire.files.wordpress.com/2017/12/img_20171208_121327.jpg?w=1500&h=

[OmniAtlas]

The loud speaker pinouts have now been determined, and can play, well music.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6w4M8rnig2g

[OmniAtlas]

Something a little more serious --


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aiGoQK_fINY

[OmniAtlas]

Airspeed Indicator:

https://soarbywire.files.wordpress.com/2018/02/img_20180217_215842.jpg

https://soarbywire.files.wordpress.com/2018/02/img-20180217-wa0022.jpeg


http://youtu.be/OPulrSWeGNE

[OmniAtlas]

Replacing a capacitor on the FDS dimmer board we now use genuine Airbus potentiometers without any modifications


https://soarbywire.com/2018/02/28/backlight-revisited-modifying-the-fds-dimmer-board-for-genuine-airbus-potentiometer-compatibility/


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HAXmBsVcJYc

[OmniAtlas]

With some help from Mick, the IAS is now functioning and can be integrated with the Flight Simulator.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLqDms77u4g (https://youtu.be/nLqDms77u4g)