Online Flight Tour #1: KDEN - KSLC Sat. Oct. 11

[JBaymore]

MyCockpits FSHost Server Online Group Flight #1

Denver International Airport to Salt Lake City International Airport

Commercial / Corporate Jet Aircraft

IFR FL280 378 NM Approx. Cruise 340 knots

Estimated Actual Flight Time approx. 1:05 minutes

No ATC Provided : Utilize simulated Unicomm procedures via MyCockpits Teamspeak Channel

Saturday, October 11, 2008 23:00 GMT



Departures and Arrivals

Flight Crew Pre-flight / Passenger Boarding at the Gates:

Saturday, October 11, 2008
(departure parking along taxiway BS at Concourse B)

23:00 GMT
7:00 PM US Eastern Daylight Savings Time
6:00 PM US Central Daylight Savings Time
5:00 PM US Mountain Daylight Savings Time
4:00 PM US Pacific Daylight Savings Time

8:00 AM Sun., October 12, 2008 Perth, Australia


Off Blocks / Pushback Time: 23:30 GMT

Approx. Arrival Time: 00:45 GMT Sunday, October 12, 2008

On Blocks / Arrival At Gates: approx. 01:00 GMT
(arrival parking located at Terminal One)


Suggested Add-on Scenery

Freeware

Denver International Airport
Gary Widup and Darko Stamenic’s kden2004installer.zip at AVSIM

Salt Lake City International
Gary Widup’s kslc9v2.zip at AVSIM

Payware

Imaginesim’s KDEN
?????????? KSLC



Airport Information Alpha

Departure Airport

Denver International Airport (KDEN)

Airport Services
Fuel available: 100 100LL JET-A MOGAS
Parking: hangars
Airframe service: MAJOR
Powerplant service: MAJOR
Bottled oxygen: HIGH
Bulk oxygen: HIGH

Airport Information

http://www.flydenver.com/

http://www.airnav.com/airport/KDEN

Airport Diagram

http://204.108.4.16/d-tpp/0810/09077AD.PDF

SID: Rockies6.EKR departure

http://204.108.4.16/d-tpp/0810/09077ROCKIES.PDF

Expected Departure Runway

7


Arrival Airport

Salt Lake City International Airport (KSLC)

Airport Services
Fuel available: 100 100LL 80 JET-A1+
Parking: hangars and tiedowns
Airframe service: MAJOR
Powerplant service: MAJOR
Bottled oxygen: HIGH/LOW
Bulk oxygen: HIGH/LOW

Airport Information

http://www.slcairport.com/

http://www.airnav.com/airport/KSLC

Airport Diagram

http://204.108.4.16/d-tpp/0810/00365AD.PDF

STAR: (arrival runway 34L)

SPANE4.MVA

http://204.108.4.16/d-tpp/0810/00365SPANE.PDF

Expected Arrival Runway

34 Left 341 Mag.
Cat III, ILS/DME 111.90 MHz
Identification code: I-UUH .. ..- ..- ....

ILS Runway 34L

http://204.108.4.16/d-tpp/0810/00365IL34L.PDF

ILS Runway 34L Cat III

http://204.108.4.16/d-tpp/0810/00365I34LC3.PDF

Arrival Parking
We’ll be parking at gates at Terminal One


Alternate Airport

Hill Air Force Base (KHIF)
Distance 20 NM at bearing 001 degrees

Airport Information

http://www.airnav.com/airport/KHIF

Airport Diagram

http://204.108.4.16/d-tpp/0810/00296AD.PDF

Expected Alternate Runway

14 139 Mag.
ILS: 109.90 MHz
Identification code: I-HIF .. .... .. ..-.

ILS Runway 14

http://204.108.4.16/d-tpp/0810/00296I14.PDF


Simulation Setup Details Checklist

Perform: computer and router open ports check (important!)
(http://www.chocolatesoftware.com/fshost/FSPortTest.exe)

Teamspeak: Use MyCockpits TS server
connect using your MyCockpits username and password
utilize PTT, not voice activated

Set Multiplayer: Other players see your animations
You see other players animations
Port 23456

Set Framerates: locked at maximum of 22 fps (important!)

Set Weather: Real World Weather (local departure airport), 15 minute updates

Set Time: Real World Time (local departure airport), as set by FSHost server

Set Crash Detection: OFF (important!)

Set Departure Gate: We’ll all be parking along taxiway BS at Concourse B of KDEN

Connect to FSHost: Use aircraft’s callsign plus name (Example:United 6565 -John)

Mycockpit FS Server IP is 24.93.12.155 Port 23456

Once Connected: Open chat box

Paste the following (with necessary personal substitutions in red) into the chat window......

+fp Your aircraft Call sign Your aircraft make/model/flight # IFR FLyour selected flight level KDEN.DEN.ZIMMR.RLG.EKR.VEL.MTU.THISL.SPANE.BOAGY.FFU.DRYVE.CHHIP.KSLC

Hit "enter". Your flightplan will auto open.

When flight is completed and you are parked at the gate: Open chat window

Type "-fp" into the chat window and hit "enter".

Your flightplan will auto close.




Flightplan

KDEN.DEN.ZIMMR.RLG.EKR.VEL.MTU.THISL.SPANE.BOAGY.FFU.DRYVE.CHHIP.KSLC

Squawkbox plan format

KDEN:KSLC:280
V:DEN:39.812500:-104.660600:0:0:0:274
F:ZIMMR:40.029450:-105.665300:0:0:0:255
I:RLG:40.002500:-106.442200:0:0:0:261
I:EKR:40.067220:-107.924700:0:0:0:271
V:VEL:40.378890:-109.493100:0:0:0:230
I:MTU:40.149170:-110.127500:0:0:0:255
F:THISL:40.136390:-111.214200:0:0:0:254
F:SPANE:40.130280:-111.548300:0:0:0:281
F:BOAGY:40.242500:-111.851900:0:0:0:281
I:FFU:40.274720:-111.940300:0:0:0:315
F:DRYVE:40.419170:-112.049400:0:0:0:342
F:CHHIP:40.619170:-112.061400:0:0:0:28
F:FIX 13:40.681140:-111.985200:0:0:0:341
F:FIX 14:40.720820:-111.989500:0:0:0:340
F:FIX 15:40.749940:-111.992800:0:0:0:341
F:FIX 16:40.774770:-111.995500:0:0:0:30


FS2004 plan format

[Flightplan]
AppVersion=9.1.40901
title=KDEN to KSLC
description=KDEN, KSLC
type=IFR
routetype=1
cruising_altitude=28000
departure_id=KDEN, N39* 50.45', W104* 42.32', +005430.00
departure_position=07
destination_id=KSLC, N40* 47.30', W111* 58.67', +004226.00
departure_name=Denver Intl
destination_name=Salt Lake City Intl
alternate_name=
waypoint.0=, KDEN, , KDEN, A, N39* 50.45', W104* 42.32', +005430.00,
waypoint.1=KK, DEN, , DEN 117.90, V, N39* 48.75', W104* 39.63', +000000.00,
waypoint.2=KK, ZIMMR, , ZIMMR, I, N40* 01.77', W105* 39.92', +000000.00,
waypoint.3=KK, RLG, , RLG, I, N40* 00.15', W106* 26.53', +000000.00,
waypoint.4=KK, EKR, , EKR, I, N40* 04.03', W107* 55.48', +000000.00,
waypoint.5=KK, VEL, , VEL 108.20, V, N40* 22.73', W109* 29.58', +000000.00,
waypoint.6=KK, MTU, , MTU, I, N40* 08.95', W110* 07.65', +000000.00,
waypoint.7=KK, THISL, , THISL, I, N40* 08.18', W111* 12.85', +000000.00,
waypoint.8=KK, SPANE, , SPANE, I, N40* 07.82', W111* 32.90', +000000.00,
waypoint.9=KK, BOAGY, , BOAGY, I, N40* 14.55', W111* 51.12', +000000.00,
waypoint.10=KK, FFU, , FFU, I, N40* 16.48', W111* 56.42', +000000.00,
waypoint.11=KK, DRYVE, , DRYVE, I, N40* 25.15', W112* 02.97', +000000.00,
waypoint.12=KK, CHHIP, , CHHIP, I, N40* 37.15', W112* 03.68', +000000.00,
waypoint.13=KK, Fix 13, , Fix 13, I, N40* 40.87', W111* 59.11', +000000.00,
waypoint.14=KK, Fix 14, , Fix 14, I, N40* 43.25', W111* 59.37', +000000.00,
waypoint.15=KK, Fix 15, , Fix 15, I, N40* 45.00', W111* 59.57', +000000.00,
waypoint.16=KK, Fix 16, , Fix 16, I, N40* 46.49', W111* 59.73', +000000.00,
waypoint.17=, KSLC, , KSLC, A, N40* 47.30', W111* 58.67', +004226.00,

[FSC]
DepartAPCode=KDEN
DepartNum=0
DepartID=07
DepartType=Rwy
DestAPCode=KSLC
RouteType=1
SID=ROCKI4.EKR
STAR=SPANE4.MTU
WP=1,VOR,DEN,DENVER,39.8125,-104.6606,117.90,173.8426,11.201,3,3151
WP=2,Fix,ZIMMR,ZIMMR,40.0295,-105.6653,0.00,286.0465,11.800,3,48887
WP=3,Int,RLG,KREMMLING,40.0025,-106.4422,113.80,267.6568,12.299,3,22731
WP=4,Int,EKR,MEEKER,40.0672,-107.9247,115.20,273.7401,12.701,3,7857
WP=5,VOR,VEL,VERNAL,40.3789,-109.4931,108.20,285.0941,13.503,1,3271
WP=6,Int,MTU,MYTON,40.1492,-110.1275,112.70,244.8210,13.898,2,17609
WP=7,Fix,THISL,THISL,40.1364,-111.2142,0.00,269.4692,14.200,2,43238
WP=8,Fix,SPANE,SPANE,40.1303,-111.5483,0.00,268.7370,14.200,2,41606
WP=9,Fix,BOAGY,BOAGY,40.2425,-111.8519,0.00,295.9176,14.200,2,4517
WP=10,Int,FFU,FAIRFIELD,40.2747,-111.9403,116.60,295.5755,14.200,2,8961
WP=11,Fix,DRYVE,DRYVE,40.4192,-112.0494,0.00,330.0934,14.601,2,10815
WP=12,Fix,CHHIP,CHHIP,40.6192,-112.0614,0.00,357.4056,14.601,2,7071
WP=13,Fix,Fix 13,Fix 13,40.6811,-111.9852,0.00,42.9850,14.200,1,0
WP=14,Fix,Fix 14,Fix 14,40.7208,-111.9895,0.00,355.2499,14.200,1,0
WP=15,Fix,Fix 15,Fix 15,40.7499,-111.9928,0.00,355.1251,14.200,1,0
WP=16,Fix,Fix 16,Fix 16,40.7748,-111.9955,0.00,355.3787,14.200,1,0

(Cut and paste above into your appropriate flight sim directory)

[JBaymore]

In order for anything other than default aircraft to be displayed correctly to others in multiplayer, you have to have the exact same aircraft installed in your sim as the person's plane you are viewing.

That being said, for this flight (above) I will be flying the following aircraft:

Jon Murchison BAe 146-200

http://63.217.28.218/files/47jets/bae1462k4.zip

In the following repaint:

United Express

http://www.simviation.com/files/47jets/1462ue.zip


If you are interested, please post a link to the planes you will be flying. For payware planes, just indicate the aircraft.

best,

...................john

[warvet]

Hey John,
There is a 90% chance i'll join you guys, do have a Martial Arts class to teach at 4 though, so hmmmmm i'll have to juggle abit with my black belts possibly. Could you send me exact idiot proof instructions to joining up with you and team speak etc in my PM. Thanks John for setting this up. Ill probably be flying a A320 Talk soon.

Tim

[Michael Carter]

I wish I could join you guys, but I'm not set up for on-line yet.

You'll get better milage if you push up the altitude to FL320-FL340. That's not too high for a nearly 400 NM trip. 'Course that depends on what you're flying too. ;)

[JBaymore]

I wish I could join you guys, but I'm not set up for on-line yet.

You'll get better milage if you push up the altitude to FL320-FL340. That's not too high for a nearly 400 NM trip. 'Course that depends on what you're flying too. ;)


Michael,

True. The Flight Level above is just a "general target".....nothing fixed about it. Your personal airline you work for will dictate your exact flightplan level based on careful analysis of cost factors ;).

One consideration in this kind of group flight is the aircraft that people are flying. Some people might have a ceiling at about FL300. I think some regional jets and corporate jets don't go as high as the 737, 747, A320 and A340 crowd. My BAe 146-200 is not happy at FL320..... and at that level and Mach .70......... it makes "coffin corner" looming VERY close.

In fact, just before the flight I will be posting the Active Sky "forecast winds aloft" METAR report here in this thread so that everyone can see what various FLs winds will likely look like. It works slick for FLCH,...and is pretty darn accurate. I've saved fuel and time a number of times using that function of ActiveSky 6.5. It SHOULD match up with folks using the default FS real world weather as long as they have "download winds aloft" checked off in the sim.

So on this flight some folks might be higher and some might be lower. As in the real world. The more imporant parts are the SID and STAR....and even that is flexible as **** :lol:.

At some point if these group flights start to get popular...... we WILL have to address the issus of needing ATC to make everything smooth. Nice problem to have...... so hopefully it WILL eventually happen.

best,

..................john

[JBaymore]

Hey John,
There is a 90% chance i'll join you guys, do have a Martial Arts class to teach at 4 though, so hmmmmm i'll have to juggle abit with my black belts possibly. Could you send me exact idiot proof instructions to joining up with you and team speak etc in my PM. Thanks John for setting this up. Ill probably be flying a A320 Talk soon.

Tim

Tim,

Look at the top of the forum page here for the link to setting up a Teamspeak account. Follow the directions ;).

To check your ports situation use the link posted above for a little program. Go to the ChocolateSoftware website forums for more info on opening ports. I'll post another link about this "port" issue shortly. THIS is the great boogie man in fs multiplayer. And if you have a router... it gets more complicated.

As to connecting to the server, more on that in a while too.

best,

......................john

PS: EXACTLY which A320.... please post a link to the exact aircraft downloads (unless it is payware).

[JBaymore]

NOTAM

Current General Weather Forecast in Denver, Colorado

http://maps.avnwx.com/?address=kden&radius=100&duration=2&opacity=0&timezone=0&showTurbulence=true&showIce=true&showMetars=true&showOther=true&showTafs=true&showBasePrecip=false&showSigTurb=true&showSigIce=true&showSigConv=true&showAirTurb=true&showAirIce=true&showAirMtn=true&showAirIfr=true&showWinds=true&showTfr=true&showStadiumTfr=0&rawOnly=false&public=true&publicnav=true&mapType=G_NORMAL_MAP&zoom=7&center=39.861656388899995%3A-104.67317750000001

http://forecast.weather.gov/MapClick.php?CityName=Denver&state=CO&site=BOU&textField1=39.768&textField2=-104.873&e=1

http://www.weather.com/outlook/travel/businesstraveler/local/DEN:9


Current General Weather Forecast in Salt Lake City, Utah

http://maps.avnwx.com/?address=KSLC&radius=100&duration=2&opacity=0&timezone=0&showTurbulence=true&showIce=true&showMetars=true&showOther=true&showTafs=true&showBasePrecip=false&showSigTurb=true&showSigIce=true&showSigConv=true&showAirTurb=true&showAirIce=true&showAirMtn=true&showAirIfr=true&showWinds=true&showTfr=true&showStadiumTfr=0&rawOnly=false&public=true&publicnav=true&mapType=G_NORMAL_MAP&zoom=7&center=40.7883877778%3A-111.977773056

http://forecast.weather.gov/MapClick.php?CityName=Salt+Lake+City&state=UT&site=SLC&textField1=40.7608&textField2=-111.89&e=0

http://www.weather.com/outlook/travel/businesstraveler/local/USUT0225?lswe=salt%20lake%20city&from=searchbox_localwx


Current Airport Delays

http://www.fly.faa.gov/flyfaa/plaintext.html


Current METARs

Denver International Airport KDEN


2008/10/11 17:53 UTC

The observation is:

KDEN 111753Z 12010KT 10SM OVC006 04/03 A2995 RMK AO2 SLP133 T00440028 10044 20022 58018


Salt Lake City International Airport KSLC


2008/10/11 17:53 UTC

The observation is:

KSLC 111753Z VRB04KT 10SM BKN017 OVC023 04/01 A2962 RMK AO2 RAE43 SLP020 P0001 60001 T00440011 10061 20022 53012

[ak49er]

John, I am impressed by the amount of effort you have put into setting this up, and the great attention to detail. I am at work making electricity this week, so I can't join in. I hope others can reap the benefits of your efforts. Enjoy captains.

[JBaymore]

John, I am impressed by the amount of effort you have put into setting this up, and the great attention to detail.

AK49er,

Thanks!

I just hope there are some people who end up participating. :lol: Lots of views on this thread.... but not a lot of responses.

However, it is the first one... so I am not really expecting a lot.

We will see..........

Sorry you can't make it. We'll all burn up some of your electricity powering our pits. ;)

best,

...............john

[Michael Carter]

I hope some show up too. Wish I was one of them. No cabling to get to the computer though.

Sort of crappy in Denver, and not much better in Salt Lake.

[JBaymore]

Sort of crappy in Denver, and not much better in Salt Lake.

Yup...... gonna be "interesting". IFR for sure. And engine and pitot heat at the right times will be important ....... it was snowing there earlier and forecast is for snow.

Sorry you won't be there. Maybe next time.

best,

...............john

[JBaymore]

Current Real World Active KSLC Runways

2149 Zulu

34 R + 34 L


Current Ceiling 12,000

[JBaymore]

Projected Winds Aloft Report

2230 Zulu

FL060 FL090 FL120 FL180 FL240 FL280 FL340 FL390
KDEN 173/015 173/015 182/040 207/077 213/100 208/114 212/126 220/140
ZIMMR 183/019 183/019 187/053 205/086 208/109 209/113 207/127 216/131
RLG 181/017 182/020 189/049 194/078 204/116 211/124 206/132 213/122
EKR 195/020 195/027 193/052 192/083 201/120 207/130 207/125 208/110
VEL 239/009 239/010 211/026 177/048 191/070 204/088 206/076 205/064
THISL 297/008 297/010 338/008 252/013 329/010 205/035 209/037 210/040
Fix 13 313/011 321/017 086/014 333/004 346/006 183/028 194/031 199/030
KSLC 313/011 321/017 086/014 333/004 346/006 183/028 194/031 199/030

[DAL900]

You guys missed a good flight. It was foggy at DEN and raining at SLC. Cloud base at SLC was 7500-8000, when you came out of the clouds you had the mountains and the runway dead ahead. Thanks John for organizing this

[Bob Reed]

I too would like to thank John for this flight. He did an awesome job! We will be setting up for a weekly flight from now on. Do you guys have a night preference? I will try hard to do as good a job as John did... Going to be tough!

[AndyT]

I had fun on this flight.

I'm putting together a sight-seeing tour for Hawaii. You can fly tubes but I will be reccomending certain aircraft for best results.

[Efe Cem Elci]

Although I joined late (tried to be at SLC to greet the incoming pilots but didn't even make that on time) it was still nice to 'see' and hear all the guys there. Hopefully we'll have more pilots next time and the issues with aircraft models will also be solved so that we don't see 738s hovering overhead :D

[JBaymore]

Thanks to everyone for joining!!!!!! Pretty good turnout for the first of these flights.

Personally, I think the bad weather actually made this a really great flight. I know that in my sim with ActiveSky running.... the cloudscapes were awesome.

The weather in Denver was REALLY socked in; ground fog for taxiing and then a really thick layer of overcast on the climbout.

And then breaking out on top... and later plunging back into and through the soup again on descent into SLC was really a lot of fun.

Everyone seemed to put it on the runway OK despite the somewhat low visibility and the tricky crosswind.

Good job folks.

On to the the next one. ;)

best,

..................john

PS: You are welcome.


http://www.mycockpit.org/photopost/data/566/medium/ClimbingOutOfDenver10-11-08-jcb.jpg

[warvet]

Sorry John,
Couldnt connect Ill try again next time.Glad you had some fun guys.

tim

[Efe Cem Elci]

Definitely a big thank you to John for putting in all that time to organize this event and get the information to us and of course to all those who joined.

We all seemed to be discovering the ins and outs of direct-connect multiplayer play (I usually fly in IVAO with no paint/model problems due to the MTL library) but I'm sure as we get more people coming to these events and the finer points of the connections solved it will be a great opportunity to meet other users and interact apart from the forum for a change.

[blueskydriver]

Maintenance had to inspect and resolve issue with PFD not showing Terrain. They solved issue by placing the de1 files into the primary PFD Computer/PFD folder and the program automatically transfers these to the terrian subfolder. Thus, they showed FO and myself that terrain was now working. 106 Pax waited 45 mins for flight.

All aboard and now enroute to KSLC @FL280 HDG 251 41 NM to EKR fix. If other flights can make it out of the Pea Soup at Denver and survive the 95 kts wind, please contact via MyCockpit FS Server Teamspeak channel.

NW1381-John Over and Out

[JBaymore]

John,

Sorry to hear about the flight delay. I am sure that the passengers were glad that the flight wasn't just cancelled completely. ;)

Sorry we didn't get a chance to fly with you too.

best,

................john

PS: I had a weird thing happen with the sim after the KDEN-KSLC flight myself. I decided to hop up to Jackson Hole, Wyoming. At one point (playing with AIBridge) I tried going from full screen to windowed and back to full screen. Upon trying to go back to full screen....... the small black old window just "hung" there with the flashing hourglass on it. Nothing I could do to restore it either way.

[blueskydriver]

John,

You're right about weird things happening; I was talking to Turkish 525 and we both agreed that something was causing the flights to nose in on final approach when selecting approach and CMD B (CMD A was set) for full stop Autoland. I had captured the ILS and was setup perfectly in Project Magenta, as well as the aircraft being completely configured for landing, yet it nosed over at which point I took control and brought it in from 500 AGL (could not see the field until 200 AGL with the fogged in weather).

Anyway, I know PM was working correctly before and after logging into the server. Also, I practice a great deal on IFR conditions right down to zero visibilty. So, I know I had not forgotten anything in regards to the aircraft itself. Thus, that is why I agree that something is amiss with the Server/FSHost/AIBridge.

Furthermore, I'm not sure what caused the scenery to project the aircraft lights incorrectly either, but my PMDG 737-800 with Shockwave Lights was projecting the shockwave lights and the standard default lights of MSFS 9 aircraft at the same time. This is the first time I've ever seen this happen. I checked this out afterwards and could not replicate it; although, all the settings were the same except for being logged into the server.

As for the scenery itself and the information you provided, I can say that I haven't seen anyone put in this much detail and effort to get us to fly together. I admire you for the hard work you've done for us, and I hope you'll provide more flight data llike you did to get us all going with this...

I've said this somewhere earlier about the MyCockpit Server and someone has just suggested it agin within this topic; we should have a regular night or club night where this is done, as well as using the server for anytime flying. I truly think this is the best approach to getting us together and if a person cannot not make the initial departure times, they can still fly the route afterwards. As someone else also suggested that if the departute time(s) are repeating every hour based on your specific time zone, that would put even more pilots in the skies.

An example would be starting at 5PM GMT in Europe and of course that would be -6 for me, so at 11am I could join the folks in Europe, and then when 5pm does occur in my time zone I could join others within in my area or folks in Europe who missed their start time could now join me at 11pm their time. Of course this would be for all of us around the globe.

Finally, I did see that a few folks were not able to make it for one reason or another, and I hope they'll be able to join in next time because it was a good experience to fly with my friends here at MyCockpit.org.

Thanks again John for setting this up,

John C

Ps. Bob would it be possible for you to do two things for us?

1. Can you make a storage folder location on (within) the MyCockpit Server forum or a direct link to a pre-defined location in the download library so that we can place items such as; scenery, aircraft, flight plans and etc, etc. for that particular flight of the week?

This would save a great deal of time instead of all of us going out and searching for the items we need individually. We (or one of us) or whoever the host of the week is, could put the items (after finding them) in the folder for that week's flight and after where done, the items can be removed or backed up somewhere else (in case we were to do same route again some other time).

edit: This just gave me an idea, if there is way to have list for all 52 weeks (a calendar or such) in which the members here could voluntarily select a week that they would like to Host a session week (Hosting in the sense of planning and providing items like John just did). Thus, they could select what works for them as far as planning goes and thereby making it easier for others to know what will be coming up in regards to the next flight/route.

2. Is there a way that MyCocpit could host a server on Gamespy for FSX and then we use it to fly within that realm (sometimes), as well as use it to recruit others to come to MyCockpit.org to fly. I would have no problem doing ATC; especially at Chicago-KORD to help get others to come over to MyCockpit FS Server...

Thanks Bob

[blueskydriver]

Hey all,

Get ready for some long reading. Not sure how many know this, but you can copy the Flight Plans in the format that John Baymore illustrated directly into the plugin file folder within FS9 rather then trying to edit this by starting FS9 and using the Flight Planner Window itself.

Here is how I did it:

1. copy the format provided by John (example) by highlighting it and then use control-C to copy it.

[Flightplan]
AppVersion=9.1.40901
title=KDEN to KSLC
description=KDEN, KSLC
type=IFR
routetype=1
cruising_altitude=28000
departure_id=KDEN, N39* 50.45', W104* 42.32', +005430.00
departure_position=07
destination_id=KSLC, N40* 47.30', W111* 58.67', +004226.00
departure_name=Denver Intl
destination_name=Salt Lake City Intl
alternate_name=
waypoint.0=, KDEN, , KDEN, A, N39* 50.45', W104* 42.32', +005430.00,
waypoint.1=KK, DEN, , DEN 117.90, V, N39* 48.75', W104* 39.63', +000000.00,
waypoint.2=KK, ZIMMR, , ZIMMR, I, N40* 01.77', W105* 39.92', +000000.00,
waypoint.3=KK, RLG, , RLG, I, N40* 00.15', W106* 26.53', +000000.00,
waypoint.4=KK, EKR, , EKR, I, N40* 04.03', W107* 55.48', +000000.00,
waypoint.5=KK, VEL, , VEL 108.20, V, N40* 22.73', W109* 29.58', +000000.00,
waypoint.6=KK, MTU, , MTU, I, N40* 08.95', W110* 07.65', +000000.00,
waypoint.7=KK, THISL, , THISL, I, N40* 08.18', W111* 12.85', +000000.00,
waypoint.8=KK, SPANE, , SPANE, I, N40* 07.82', W111* 32.90', +000000.00,
waypoint.9=KK, BOAGY, , BOAGY, I, N40* 14.55', W111* 51.12', +000000.00,
waypoint.10=KK, FFU, , FFU, I, N40* 16.48', W111* 56.42', +000000.00,
waypoint.11=KK, DRYVE, , DRYVE, I, N40* 25.15', W112* 02.97', +000000.00,
waypoint.12=KK, CHHIP, , CHHIP, I, N40* 37.15', W112* 03.68', +000000.00,
waypoint.13=KK, Fix 13, , Fix 13, I, N40* 40.87', W111* 59.11', +000000.00,
waypoint.14=KK, Fix 14, , Fix 14, I, N40* 43.25', W111* 59.37', +000000.00,
waypoint.15=KK, Fix 15, , Fix 15, I, N40* 45.00', W111* 59.57', +000000.00,
waypoint.16=KK, Fix 16, , Fix 16, I, N40* 46.49', W111* 59.73', +000000.00,
waypoint.17=, KSLC, , KSLC, A, N40* 47.30', W111* 58.67', +004226.00,

2. Goto the folder where your FS9 flightplans are kept.

In my case C:\Documents and Settings\Administrator\My Documents\Flight Simulator Files

3. Open up anyone of the flight plans (it doesnt matter which one you choose) that you see that looks like an red electrical cord end and has small text of "plug-in" under it by Right Mouse Clicking 1 time then select "Open With" in the pop-up window list, and then choose Notepad.

4. When notepad opens highlight all the text shown, and then use control-v to paste the needed plan (this will replace the one shown) or you can just highlight all text, press delete key, and the use control-v to paste in the new needed plan.

5. Now select File>Save As (within Notepad) and rename the file to whatever you like to help identify the flight plan. Make sure that you do not change the last four characters in the File Name field. So, the name would be whatever.PLN

You must make sure .PLN is within the file name for FS9 to recognise it.

6. Close the folder and then go into FS9 and selct that flight plan you just saved. The trick here is to load the flight plan into the Flight Planner Edit portion of the flight planner window of FS9. If use the load button in the Create portion of the window, and then select a different gate per se at the departure location, the okay button below will now be grayed out because (normally) you would have to select Find Route in order for FS9 to continue the flight planning stage. However, this will change what you just loaded as the route to what FS9 wants to use as the route.

The key to selecting where to start from (as in the case with John Baymore's flight plans) he had the starting positin as Runway 7, and as such, if we all come into the session together, we'd all spawn on runway 7. That means you would have to go out using the World>Go to Airport from the FS9 menu and change your location, and then wait for FS9 to reload itself based on this location change.

In other words, if you know the location you want to start from before hand you can put that in the .PLN file and then FS9 will start you there. But, let me say that again, BUT! you have to use only the first part of the starting position location that is listed in FS9 Runway/Starting Position Box.

Example:

You see Gate B 35 --GATE MEDIUM or Gate A 29 --GATE SMALL in the listings of the Runway/Staring Postion Box. Well, you only need to use the first part... Gate B 35 or Gate A 29 (make sure you leave spaces in between). Now, place that into the .PLN file on the line:

departure_position=GATE B 35

Save It, Load It in Flight Planner in FS9 and then Go Fly It!

The main point is, if you know the starting point beforehand, you'd make this change when copying the flight plan initally, so you would not have to worry about it later. It might be good for us to have different locations shown in the Flight Plan (if the host provides the data like John did) but by using the 2 forward slashes within the file, we could choose which one we want to start at by just copying and pasting the one we want to use, and only copy/paste the GATE GATE LETTER GATE NUMBER (Ignore and dont copy/paste the stuff in brackets). Also, anything on the line with the two slashes gets ignored by FS9, so this way you'd know what some starting location choices are without hunting or playing around with FS9...

An example would be:

[flightplan]
AppVersion=9.0.30612
title=KDEN to KSLC
description=KDEN, KSLC
type=IFR
routetype=1
cruising_altitude=16000
departure_id=KDEN, N39* 51.55', W104* 40.53', +005430.99
departure_position=GATE B 35
//GATE A 29 [small]
//GATE B 35 [Medium]
//GATE B 34 [Medium]
destination_id=KSLC, N40* 47.30', W111* 58.67', +004225.99
departure_name=Denver Intl
destination_name=Salt Lake City Intl
waypoint.0=, KDEN, , KDEN, A, N39* 51.55', W104* 40.53', +005430.99,
waypoint.1=K2, BJC, , BJC, V, N39* 54.78', W105* 8.34', +005729.99,
waypoint.2=K2, RLG, , RLG, V, N40* 0.16', W106* 26.55', +009369.99,
waypoint.3=K2, EKR, , EKR, V, N40* 4.05', W107* 55.49', +007619.99,
waypoint.4=K2, MTU, , MTU, V, N40* 8.95', W110* 7.66', +005331.99,
waypoint.5=K2, FFU, , FFU, V, N40* 16.49', W111* 56.43', +007689.99,
waypoint.6=, KSLC, , KSLC, A, N40* 47.30', W111* 58.67', +004225.99,

Finally, thank you for reading this and I hope it helps someone in our next flying session.

John C

[JBaymore]

........we both agreed that something was causing the flights to nose in on final approach when selecting approach and CMD B (CMD A was set) for full stop Autoland.

Hum.... I did not experience that noseover effect. The aircraft was having a TINY bit of trouble maintaining the localizer and glideslope with the weather but nothing horrendous. I DID have nasty gusty winds and crosswind in ActiveSky. No "autoland" in my BAe 146-200...... so I was puitting that on the ground manually too ;). ("Legally" I should have gone to an alternate airport when I reached the decision point. ;))

But I was using the stock FS2004 KSLC scenery (after all), not the add on I listed. Maybe the add on KSLC scenery ILS was screwed up?



.........Thus, that is why I agree that something is amiss with the Server/FSHost/AIBridge.

I did not have AIBridge connected until just before I headed off to Jackson Hole. So that was not an issue relative to the lights nor the ILS "noseover" at that point.



Furthermore, I'm not sure what caused the scenery to project the aircraft lights incorrectly either,.......

On FSHost servers I have seen all sorts of different issues with seeing the OTHER aircraft's lights. This was just the most unique I've seen, what with seeing only the "glow" of the light on the sidwe of the plane's body... but not the light bulb source nor the splash on the tarmac.

As it turned out... I was running the default KSLC scenery after all. So the lack of the splash was not particular to the add-on KSLC that I listed.



......... I can say that I haven't seen anyone put in this much detail and effort to get us to fly together. I admire you for the hard work you've done for us, and I hope you'll provide more flight data llike you did to get us all going with this...

No problem... you are welcome...... it was fun. And yes I will do some other flights.... but I will admit it took a LOT of time to put that together....... so it won't be "every week" for me. ;)



....... we should have a regular night or club night where this is done, as well as using the server for anytime flying.

This concept was the whole reason that I did what I did. I figured that someone would have to just "take the lead" in getting serious activity on the MyCockpits server and get it started. SO .......I did.



1. Can you make a storage folder location on (within) the MyCockpit Server forum or a direct link to a pre-defined location in the download library so that we can place items such as; scenery, aircraft, flight plans and etc, etc. for that particular flight of the week?

This is a great idea.

The most important part is that all of us that participate (regularly) must have the EXACT same make/model/description of the aircraft the OTHERS are flying in order to see the other people in the correct aircraft. We need a place to store these for easy download for the others. And it is up to the person SUPPLYING that download to update it as necessary in case of any changes.



....... the members here could voluntarily select a week that they would like to Host a session week (Hosting in the sense of planning and providing items like John just did).

If you like the format that I did...... feel FREE to just lift the original layout (copy / paste) to use as a "template".



.........as well as use it to recruit others to come to MyCockpit.org to fly.

With the size of the MyCockpits user base... one would HOPE that there are enough people as members here to support larger and larger flights. The issue is to just get the word out that this exists, and that it is actually FUN.... and that there are people participating.

Remember... if the flight #s get too big... we won't just like to have ATC... we'll NEED ATC for everry flight.



I would have no problem doing ATC; especially at Chicago-KORD to help get others to come over to MyCockpit FS Server.......

Bob...... if you have experience as a controller.... that would be a GREAT addition to these flights. Let's specifically plan on one relatively soon that flys into KORD..... since you mentioned that one as you "home base". Do you control on VATSIM or IVAO? Maybe something out of Canada to KORD?


best,

....................john